how accurate this is: becoming vegetarian can help reduce CO2 emissions more than changing your car to a Prius.

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16 years ago

Yet another reason for me to just stop eating meat completely. The first is that I'm debating on just saying so because my family pushes

16 years ago

WAY too friggin much of that stuff on me. Kind of sick of it and it makes me feel gross a lot of the time.

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16 years ago

carbon footprint, yes. personal carbon emissions, no

16 years ago

cows and pigs are the worst producers of greenhouse gasses

16 years ago

plus the water and energy cost of building all those beef units vs plant units

16 years ago

the increased cost doesn't support the slight nutritional advantage

16 years ago

fuggit - maybe i should be a hippy and go veg. it's not like it'd be hard in my current situation. does it count if i still eat processed

16 years ago

meat? that's mostly..soy or something, right?

16 years ago

mostly wax

16 years ago

tasty poo. mostly super spiced things like pepperoni i like.

16 years ago

spiced as in flavored*

16 years ago

they make it difficult to buy things with veggiemeat alternatives when it's things like pepperoni or ground beef on a pizza.

16 years ago

i <3 pepperoni and ground beef on pizza

16 years ago

i don't think it would be hard for you at all - you didn't eat meat at all when you were living here to my recollection O__o

16 years ago

sorry, real meat XD

16 years ago

not very often - it's not really an essential ingredient for any meal i eat unless it's prepared for me - then it's an issue.

16 years ago

i LOVE singaporean pancit but it's pretty much guaranteed to have chicken in it.

16 years ago

and fuck, fried chicken sandwiches are good too. but i'd totally eat the veggie alternative just the same.

16 years ago

i can't give up bacon.

16 years ago

yeah i had the environmental impacts of the meat industry in my stats class, heh.. it's.. one of the MAIN reasons i stopped.

16 years ago

good article tho

16 years ago

*finishing reading*

16 years ago

*groans*

16 years ago

i'd rather hug a tree than eat a steak!

16 years ago

sorry veggies, people were meant to be OMNIVORES

16 years ago

lol

16 years ago

steak tastes better than trees

16 years ago

yeah, but we were built to also chase down and hunt animals. not drive cars to the market and breed them like crops.

16 years ago

i dont *mind* meat, but i can't deny that we're horribly abusing "The Laws of Nature(TM)".

16 years ago

meh. meat is far from the only problem in that respect

16 years ago

and at least meat is nutritionally beneficial

16 years ago

there are lots of bad things for the environment/laws of nature that really have no ACTUAL benefit to anybody aside from convenience

16 years ago

like...beer!

16 years ago

hehe

16 years ago

i am so not into this green bullshit

16 years ago

but you hit something dead on the nail - people were meant to hunt down the aminals, not to drive to the store

16 years ago

DRIVING TO THE STORE IS PART OF THE PROBLEM

16 years ago

i am to an extent - i don't it should be about "being green" it should be about "doing wtf is right as a responsible human"

16 years ago

i was recycling before all this hype started up. why? because we don't HAVE to pile all of our shit in some remote land - we can reuse that

16 years ago

shit. it just makes sense.

16 years ago

the less dependent we have to be on generating brand new resources the more time we afford ourselves as a species on this planet.

16 years ago

otherwise - when on the trees are gone and the plankton is dead...then where do we get our air? and so on...

16 years ago

man i can get SO ranty about this but i really don't feel like it. i have strong opinions about what humans were 'meant' to do but it's

16 years ago

mostly just that. opinions.

16 years ago

im curious - tellme!

16 years ago

i think Humans are meant to eat both meat and veggies. Look at our teeth. That shows you. We have flat ones for veggies things, and sharp

16 years ago

ones for meat and such.

16 years ago

but look at our appendix and wisdom teeth.

16 years ago

IRONNNNNNNNNNNN

16 years ago

back when the appendix still mattered they didn't have vitamin supplements and i doubt swiss chard was readily available to everyone lol

16 years ago

a combination of meat and veggies gives you the best nutrition without supplements, that's why a balanced diet generally includes meat

16 years ago

being a vegetarian is a choice (for some its a necessity for health reasons) but being an omnivore is hard wired and until we evolve to not

16 years ago

need to eat meat anymore then its gonna happen because your body needs whats in it

16 years ago

just because people CAN exist healthily without eating meat doesn't mean its best for everyone

16 years ago

because you still have to compensate for the lack of it in your diet

16 years ago

our bodies were not made for it. yes in some cases it was necessary if there is nothing else - to eat meat - but our digestive tract is

16 years ago

evidence that meat does nothing but rot in there. that's why omnivores/carnivores have shorter digestive tracts.

16 years ago

and if you say that those two eye teeth are enough to eat a steak, then you're insane. those are incisors for biting into things in general

16 years ago

we don't have a row of tiny sharp teeth like cats or dogs. we have molars.

16 years ago

there have been vegetarians for thousands of years in places like india. and they don't have swiss chard.

16 years ago

there are sufficient replacements in every continent.

16 years ago

for me not eating meat is partially religious/spiritual reasons which is why i don't bother arguing it.

16 years ago

your body does not NEED what is in meat. I don't eat supplements. i just eat a wide variety of foods in combination.

16 years ago

eating a little bit of meat once in a while won't kill you obviously, just like eating junk food or candy. i just prefer not to because I

16 years ago

believe it's healthier to avoid it completely. the long term effects and many diseases caused by eating a lot of meat over time, i'm not

16 years ago

a fan of

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also increasing risks of cancer, heart disease, etc..

16 years ago

but yeah, it's definitely a lifestyle choice..

16 years ago

but for me, the spiritual, moral, and health reasons overpower any desire for me to ever eat dead animal flesh ever again.

16 years ago

if only i could have that conviction. thanksgiving would destroy me!

16 years ago

haaahaha yeah thanksgiving, my faves are not the turkey anyway, and the stuffing my aunt makes is just as good in veggie

16 years ago

my faves are squash and sweet potatoes, mashed potatoes and stuffing.. i could eat just those and be ecstatic

16 years ago

what i don't get is why some vegetarians still think its ok to eat seafood. Like that somehow doesn't count morals wise. Its still eating a

16 years ago

once living thing

16 years ago

And the way those creatures are caught is cruel.

16 years ago

"Fish, shellfish, lean red meat, game, poultry, eggs or pulses meet your body’s protein requirements without overloading on fats."

16 years ago

i actually asked kina this question a couple of times - i'm sure she'll have a response for it.

as for me - because they're friggin tasty

16 years ago

i do feel the worst about eating shrimp though i think, i feel like im devouring entire families in ONE meal. doesnt seem fair.

16 years ago

but...so good. *cries*

16 years ago

but its really one of those point of views that will never be solved. Some people think they aren't meant for meat, while others will. So

16 years ago

its really just.. do what makes your life happy.

16 years ago

im sure it boils down to levels of sentience.

16 years ago

or rather - interpreted levels.

16 years ago

yeah. The sea food thing still bugs me tho. Its still a creature who's life had to end so you can eat it. If thats one of the morals

16 years ago

behind someone not eating meat.. but they still eat seafood, i find it pretty hypocritical.

16 years ago

damnit - now you're going to make kina eat one less kind of meat!

16 years ago

oh yeah.. i forgot she eats seafood

16 years ago

hah i just ate a piece of sushi... lol yeahhhhhh....

16 years ago

and yeah, that quote steph said included 'pulses' which are grains and beans and things. those can for sure give you enough.

16 years ago

and of course it comes down to a lifestyle thing

16 years ago

but it wasn't really the fat content that i'm concerned about when eating meats. it's more the damage it does to your body. it just rots.

16 years ago

but does seafood rot in there as well?

16 years ago

Doesn't all food kinda rot in your tummy? but yeah.. i can see that. I think when people eat meat, they really dont see it as an animal.

16 years ago

Just another piece of food.

16 years ago

well the acids break up all the veggie parts except for the glucose i think. meat i dont know - that gets even more complicated.

16 years ago

cellulose

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the human body can't digest it

16 years ago

frig! thank you. the other 'ose.

16 years ago

i knew it felt wrong typing it!

16 years ago

not much of meat is 'used'; the body just passes it right through. and since our tract is mega long it has to travel a lot, uselessly

16 years ago

plants require longer digestion because we use more of it and it's more complex. and yes, sarah was right, that's cellulose!

16 years ago

just like we can't eat certain plants! like... grass!

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corn

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DELICIOUS GRASS

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the effects on cancer are not that huge

16 years ago

also WIKIPEDIA IS NOT A CREDIBLE SOURCE!! haahaha

16 years ago

in a somewhat related vein but also not really, this might of be of interest to you kina: findarticles.com/p/artic...

16 years ago

i think that the arguement of meat eaters vs vegetarians is extremely biased

16 years ago

and at this point in time there is no right or wrong answer

16 years ago

most of the stuff i looked at said vegetarians are more health because they choose their diets more carefully, not because they don't eat me

16 years ago

at, which makes perfect sense to me

16 years ago

you need SOME fat in your diet, but controlled portions and quality meats are the key to keeping it healthy

16 years ago

however, i think we can all agree that not many people do that, which is what leads it to be unhealthy. if you eat 24oz steaks every day,

16 years ago

of course your risk of heart disease is going to go up

16 years ago

but being a vegetarian doesn't make you immune to diseases that meat eaters get

16 years ago

and in some cases the risk is exactly the same

16 years ago

i also wonder about the seafood thing though!! i guess vegans don't eat seafood

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16 years ago

all personal/moral/spiritual reasons aside, for some people not eating meat has its benefits but for most its part of a balanced diet

16 years ago

that's why its in the food guide.

16 years ago

even if it rots in your tummy that's a waste issue...you still get all the nutrients out of it

16 years ago

its pretty much ALL has to do with whether you choose to eat healthy or not. if you skip out on meat but you eat TONS of candy or chips,

16 years ago

vs. someone who eats a small chicken breast with a side of veg and snacks in moderation

16 years ago

the meat eater comes out on top...but if you're a veg and you eat SUPER healthy meals all the time and take multivitamins etc. over somone

16 years ago

who eats bacon and cheeseburgers every day, then its obvious who is going to be more healthy

16 years ago

yeah

16 years ago

btw kina a multivitamin is a supplement. that's what i was referring to when i said that

16 years ago

if you don't get enough iron or whatever in your diet you just take one of those a day and it helps

16 years ago

but they didn't always have those

16 years ago

that article you posted says that disease is genetic from defective proteins

16 years ago

and the *only suspected case* of it coming from beef products

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16 years ago

the pregnancy thing reminded me of friends...when pheobe craves meat when she's preggers ahaha

16 years ago

"Red meat can be eaten, but limited to no more than once a week. " I could totally get behind this...in excess.

I friggin hardly ever eat

16 years ago

large quantities of red meat. Whereas I've heard of some of the ladies at work cooking that shit every night because of demanding hubbies.><

16 years ago

ewww. the most i eat of red meat is in cheese steaks

16 years ago

and i maaybe eat those once month.. not even

16 years ago

for reals. i actually cant stand any slabs of red meat or meat on bones.

16 years ago

i love steak but once a month. i can't afford that shit, my daddy cooks it for me haaha

16 years ago

we eat quite a bit of chicken, lean ground beef, and the occasional pork

16 years ago

chicken is to good. i couldn't give it up. Maaaaaybe red meat... but not chicken

16 years ago

i totally love that fake stuff that geoff puts in the indian stuff he makes. soooo fucking good imo.

16 years ago

i could give up meat if i had to (BUT I WOULD NEVER WANT TO XD) but i would probably be even more unhealthy because i hate a lot of veggies

16 years ago

some of them have grown on me but still not enough to be balanced

16 years ago

takes practice!

16 years ago

yeah.. i went veggie in high school. I got reaaaaaally sick because i wasn't eating anything to replace the meat i didn't eat. and i hated

16 years ago

veggies.. i was a noodletarian.

16 years ago

i was not a smart girl

16 years ago

i would eat like...eggs and cereal and potatoes and that's it. LOL

16 years ago

oh and pasta i suppose

16 years ago

yeah.. all starch and grains and carbs. Not to healthy.

16 years ago

man i love eggs.

16 years ago

eggs are good.

16 years ago

and healthy!

16 years ago

they smell like farts

16 years ago

only overcooked boiled eggs smell like farts

16 years ago

i wish i liked eggs. Some of the meals look good with them. But the texture thing gets to me. i can only eat them in my fried rice..

16 years ago

... oh shit! I have fried rice in a box i can make for dinner tomorrow! Fuck you ramen!

16 years ago

oh man, i need to make my fried noodles tonight!

16 years ago

i have some too omg