well, a while back, there was a bit of a scandal that got washed over, see? The website was supposed to go out to tender, buuuut...

instead trashed the tender halfway thru for some kickbacks, and produced the biggest pile of shit website the Fed. Govt. has to offer

if anyone has ever thought of holding the ATO's site against the NOIE best practices? Hehehehe

multiple level fly-out menus in every direction, frames within frames, unreadable type - it's all soooo good

I use it as the poster child of what NOT to do

AshDonaldson it's a very complex website but have you seen the latest site? There's broken stuff on the homepage!

The ATO site is too complex. I can never find the most basic information. The HR Lady also has problems trying to find business information.

The complexity of the ATO site is a probably a symptom of the overall complexity of tax legislation in Australia.

Also the online form completion and submission technology is rubbish. It took me ages to get it "installed" before I could even use it.

If I as a pretty tech savvy person had problems I pity Mr or Mrs average trying to use it.

I Fail all the time finding stuff on the web site, end up on the phone.. I don't think the IA is wrong just bad implementation

that some simple visual hierarchy and navigation re-design would go a helluva long way... Any Hiseriser's on here I can complain to???

They lay the thing out in tables tsk tsk tsk. IA done by Hiser from my understanding

ruthellison ATO site is just it's normal level of crapness. I've had it in my IA workshop for years and it looks just like usual

As far as I know the new portals from the Change Program get rolled out this year sometime. I'm not sure about the main site though.

if anyone's seen multi-level flyout navigation from the left, top, and below on any other site before?

that's way cool

AshDonaldson www.frys.com/ is close

but I've *never* seen a drop-up footer before

drop up footer ..., its a little crazy!

thought frys was just the home of the multi-stack tab nav

frys - site designed by engineers - thats what they always ask for.!

a drop-up footer!?! Why, that's just the innovation that's going to make people sit up and notice Web 3.0!!! Must learn how to do that!

yeah you do this cool IA and UI and they go and corrupt it and just add little bits a crap off it..

Oh they PAY!... doesn't help the portfolio, "oh I did this site" .. "oh that piece of shit.."

I have *so many* of those sites I am embarrassed to put my name against

This remind me of the Schidt Sandwich analogy of consulting.

It does reduce your portfolio...