kerosene hates
15 years ago
No Country for Old Men.
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kerosene says
15 years ago
GARBAGE.
kerosene says
15 years ago
WTF was the point of...ANY of it!?
tantrum says
15 years ago
the central storyline of no country for old men is a classic western... the protagonist who becomes a self-proclaimed hero by chance
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tantrum says
15 years ago
where no country differs... is the hero doesn't become some invincible badass by living out his own moral codes...
tantrum says
15 years ago
if you haven't seen this movie and you're reading what i'm saying... you should probably stop here.
tantrum says
15 years ago
no country has some interesting choices in both storytelling and plot progression... once again, like bladerunner, no hands are held
tantrum says
15 years ago
the 3 main characters: the sheriff, the hero, and the antagonist... never share any screen time... this separates their ideals and motives
tantrum says
15 years ago
i could talk about this story for days... so i'm going to try and just keep it locked down to a few key points
tantrum says
15 years ago
through out the story, we're slowly fed the philosophies of each main character... the hero believes that he can defeat any foe that comes
tantrum says
15 years ago
his way... simply because he's the 'good guy'... this is echoed by his statements from the hospital... when he says "so what is this guy?
tantrum says
15 years ago
the ultimate badass or something?"... he's patronizing the situation and his pursuer... because he believes he is always one step ahead...
tantrum says
15 years ago
the antagonist operates completely on his own moral code... he believes we are all tied to fate by unfathomable coincidence...
tantrum says
15 years ago
and he is a guardian of said fate... because he is enlightened in his own beliefs... he uses this to explain his actions...
tantrum says
15 years ago
that's why the conversation with the hero's wife was so important... she was trying to convince him that it wasn't her fault...
tantrum says
15 years ago
but the antagonist is a man of his word... and the hero had already pre-determined her fate... therefore, there was no choice in the matter
tantrum says
15 years ago
he is walking death. he is the same force as a car accident... or a heart attack. he is the inevitable.
tantrum says
15 years ago
the sheriff is close to retiring... he doesn't want to risk himself on his final case... so he doesn't take to the field...
tantrum says
15 years ago
he's afraid of what they've stumbled onto from the beginning... and he sees how sinister the intentions are of the antagonist...
tantrum says
15 years ago
so he leaves it up to the hero's ability to reason... and expects him to turn himself in... to save himself.
tantrum says
15 years ago
the interesting thing about the plot... is that through out the movie... there are situations that the hero is COMPLETELY unaware of
tantrum says
15 years ago
he is so focused on the good guy/bad guy aspect... that he completely ignores an outside force... the mexicans who were a part of the drug
tantrum says
15 years ago
deal.... they are at the first hotel checking his room when the antagonist wipes them out... and later on... when the hero is seduced...
tantrum says
15 years ago
it's because he's only watching for the shadow of the antagonist... not the mexicans who have been tailing him all along...
tantrum says
15 years ago
and they're the ones who actually kill him. he wasn't a hero, he wasn't a martyr... the world isn't that black and white... he ignored the
tantrum says
15 years ago
gray... and the sheriff represents the gray here... he understood all of the factors from the beginning... and he avoided involvement
tantrum says
15 years ago
he's overwhelmed with fear and curiosity at the location of the hero's death, however... and that's why when he approaches the door
tantrum says
15 years ago
he feels the horror of the antagonist hiding in the darkness... he finally confronts the darkness and there was nothing there at all
tantrum says
15 years ago
the hero was defeated by something else entirely. a miscalculation.
tantrum says
15 years ago
the interesting thing about the hero's journey is that when he first discovered the money... he left... he could've stayed away...
tantrum says
15 years ago
but some force drew him back... was it compassion? was it curiosity? was he just looking for closure? it was the return that cost him
tantrum says
15 years ago
and diving into the water almost metaphorically represented his baptism into chaos...
tantrum says
15 years ago
the movie centers around the idea that the only comfort is death... the world is full of uncertainty... and we can attempt to shape it
tantrum says
15 years ago
but are we guided by fate? or do we simply struggle to collect meaning... the sheriff's dream asks the final question...
tantrum says
15 years ago
he tells the story of his father, the darkness being life... and the campfire being the comfort of death...
tantrum says
15 years ago
the world has defeated him... laws and morals have failed him... the only thing that has been certain is death...
tantrum says
15 years ago
every day is a gamble... comfort is an illusion ... no matter how hard we try to convince ourselves that we're safe today... safe tomorrow..
tantrum says
15 years ago
law and order can't guarantee this... we are still, always, inherently at risk... and the only thing we can depend on is death.
tantrum says
15 years ago
so why do we struggle? this place of chaos, where there is no refuge... living is a perpetual risk... it's no country for old men...
tantrum says
15 years ago
anyway, i really like the movie.
kerosene says
15 years ago
if only the sheriff gave such a speech like yours within the movie...
kerosene says
15 years ago
i dont like watching ONLY subtle metaphors - but you know that.
kerosene says
15 years ago
it really irked me that there was no real resolution imo. and how the sheriff and the "hero" never really interacted . how woody harrelson's
kerosene says
15 years ago
character amounted to being useless.
kerosene says
15 years ago
it almost feels like the moral of the story is "fuck everyone else - if you try to help another human it doesn't matter you're going to die
kerosene says
15 years ago
a violent fate anyway"..
kerosene says
15 years ago
had he not gone to bring back the water. gone back to save his wife. i'm just curious why it was so hard for him to disappear
kerosene says
15 years ago
there's just too much in the whole movie that's just implied.
tantrum says
15 years ago
most things in life are incomplete or just implied... this type of story always resonates strongly with me because of that connection
tantrum says
15 years ago
the fact is, most of us will not die a comfortable death... it's accepting death that is comforting... but the final moments for many
tantrum says
15 years ago
will be violent in their own nature... perhaps not at the hand of another creature... but our own bodies can do plenty of harm on their own
tantrum says
15 years ago
and yeah, the movie is bleak. it's not trying to make you optimistic... things like optimism are sometimes just tricks we play
tantrum says
15 years ago
upon ourselves to soften the pain... the movie is really just painting the inevitable... we all have to accept what's coming...
tantrum says
15 years ago
and woody harrelson had an important role, imo... he helped identify the hero's dilemma... and he was the only connection the hero had to
tantrum says
15 years ago
what could have been his safety... his death was because of this interference... the hero had the opportunity to save himself, but he
tantrum says
15 years ago
spat upon it and resigned he and his wife.. in the belief that he could fix everything himself... but the antagonist holds every decision
tantrum says
15 years ago
to represent the true nature of things... once the hero decided to fight... he couldn't go back on his decision... he could only succeed
tantrum says
15 years ago
or fail... there was no turning back.
tantrum says
15 years ago
and the same is for woody harrelson... he came to kill anton... and once anton had him, he tried to negotiate... but it was too late
tantrum says
15 years ago
he had already made his choice.... you can't back out of that type of commitment out of concern for your safety...
tantrum says
15 years ago
just because the tables were turned...
tantrum says
15 years ago
that movie took me an entire day to digest... i actually haven't watched it since... but when it was over
tantrum says
15 years ago
i was like "wow i don't know how to feel about this..." after i woke up, though... i had come to resolutions
tantrum says
15 years ago
same thing that happened with "there will be blood" and "inglorious basterds"
kerosene says
15 years ago
now all i need is morgan freeman narrating this during the movie at the right scenes... :-D
kerosene says
15 years ago
i feel like there was no climax. it's like falling asleep during lovin's.
kerosene says
15 years ago
while all of those things are valid observations and would have made the movie profound...the film just didn't wrap things up properly, imo.
tantrum says
15 years ago
eh life isn't always tied up in a bow... those kinds of stories are more grounded in reality... i appreciate that.
tantrum says
15 years ago
every character had some form of closure... but the story didn't END...
kerosene says
15 years ago
I DEMAND CONCLUSIONS.
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