-- I really really REALLY do hate the community aspect of religion

Is that backwards? I don't even care. BUT I am supposed to do some THINGS to teach people to go against the grain more and not "just" living my truth.

Ditto -> anti-cult

The financial angle I nailed, but the cultural aspect is a little harder for me to TOUCH tangibly because it's so ingrained in my personality/identity (x 15) to be EXTREMELY fucking averse to it.

And obviously Jesus didn't cover it and while I can nail down NOW the importance of it to degrees -> doing the opposite in a way that isn't just "I FUCKING HAAAATE IT RESPECT MY OPINION AND DESIRE FOR THIS" is difficult to say the least

------------ Extremely significant is also

there's a lot of books / studies / CONCERN about feminism vs. conservative women especially conservative RELIGIOUS women.

I can SAY "Thanks Eve " and nail down where she and Adam fucked up and why that's a thing -> in most religions, and nail down where/why [Yang to my Yin] was unable to fix it personally -> that doesn't innately fix the problem, just identifies how we got here. I know RELATIVELY where I want to go from here, but I'mnot sure how to go about changing it

towards that beyond "live my truth demonstrably" and at this point I think something a lot bigger is required

/rolls back and forth

Assuming Moosey has the best idea so far which is to add a few more books collectively and let them stand the test of public scrutiny -> (I mean why not, Book of Mormon and L. Ron Hubbard etc.)

There is still a little more I need to do with certain pieces imo

FTR -- Eve wanted to defer to Adam especially after he was being an abusive dipshit who tried to control Lilith and blamed her for running away. She was way. Too. Fucking. Submissive however, and where Lilith pushed back against Adam challenging him, not letting him be an asshole and straight up told him he was being immoral, Eve wasn't even capable of

challenging Satan's suppositions / and/or willing to. Adam had no fucking excuse either because he decided without Lilith around he was just going to try to be Satan's role too and the protective MAN and teacher and didn't need to learn anything from others (bullshit, learning forever is fun??? dumbfuck.) so while he knew he fucked up with breaking God's

rule, he didn't exactly do anything to take some fucking responsibility and be an actual adult. And there's so much fucking over compensating for masculinity that is setting my teeth on edge because idiots don't know what that even fucking means.

Meanwhile Mary / Jesus' Mother wasn't even fucking inclined to be FEMALE QUEEN CHAMPION (why. Would she be?????) so it never came up and given how fucked up the Roman empire (and other early civilizations) were about genders it's a crapshoot minefield.

There's certain things I can extrapolate, and the absence of things (see also: fucking WEIRD / Off memories -- tradeoff) to say that there's a difference in with Lilith / without Lilith -> so certain peoples were taught gender things differently with Lilith and I can extrapolate OFF that BUUUUUUUUUT

I can't fucking point to it here where Lilith was not (just Fiction) because it didn't fucking happen.

So I can't use those archaeological / cultural carryovers they don't exist in reality afaik and spending my life dedicated to archaeology to dig them up seems wasteful

I guess I can just operate as if they are hidden in places and leave it for others to find I like this plan

/rubs temples

Ah there is something about rejection I have to ask my yang. Because I don't think Adam was too damaged by being rejected, but he DID decide to do something "weird" (my label -- not unpredictable, just weird TO ME) to compensate for Lilith rejecting him very fucking thoroughly. Yang was also rejected by Eve AFAICT??? so he might have additional perspective

Re: sex. I get where there was a general assumption that homosexuality = Paganism and it's really bothering me (for obvious reasons) and I'm not sure WHERE to begin on it I guess that's step 1

knowing that I'm not sure where to start

For extremely orthodox Jews they were carrying the Adam & Eve oral and then written traditions so having offspring was pretty fucking important, and ditto like again, setting them apart from paganism.

Yang did his best, but as supposed to be the more asexual / non-paired 5th it got sideways when Jesus carried that torch instead (pun intended lol)

there's definitely some of the usual "don't do this thing this other specific cult does, we're not them" behind the anti-homosexual stuff in torah, but I think another aspect is that the region is a very mixed bag of attitudes toward homosexuality

some times and places seem very Greek about it, but in others it seems to show up mostly as a means of domination

Egyptian mythology especially has a lot of one god getting his jizz in or on another god as a way to ~win~

^ yep

you don't want a Horus Salad

Right, well that's reflected in the sexism too.

A lot of men view sex as an extension of conquest, rather than an expression of deep abiding love and trust with one's soul mate. And the whole "OFFSPRING TOO" sort of fucked up via Adam and Eve and didnt get fixed

moosechangerpat

worth mention at least the fuller version of the story is that the sex itself was a consensual nonromantic hookup between Set and Horus, but with Set saying he'd pull out and lying about that and Horus seeing the lie coming (pun not intended), catching it and tossing it into the Nile when Set wasn't looking, and then retaliating with the salad

and it's framed as a "haha, Set lost this round of the prank war"

yeah Set definitely started it, I remember that much

gross.

I love pranks, but [redacted] blitz [redacted] I can do without.

There are certain Torah things that correspond to Egyptian / Roman contemporary mythologies and make me suspect -- and I mean this as respectfully as possible

But caveat out my ass, because I know it sounds the opposite and I'm unclear how to be firm and gentle and convey the meaning I want

But as with Hercules / Sampson (Delilah - another note of religious sexism) and desiring a King no matter how much God was like "Noooooo you don't....." and doing things to ~~fit in with idiots~~

A lot of traditions and upheld ideas of early Judaism were also trying to carry over adoption/adaptations of other mythos annnnnd poorly.

It's like "true" Judaism doesnt have Hell, but the concept was so ingratiated from Sumerian / Mesopotamians / GrecoRomans / Egyptians that they wound up with Gehenna.

Which again -- not. A. Fucking. Thing.

So me trying to explain over and over and over and over to Christians "Hell is just not being copacetic with god -- and I don't mean atheism, I mean specifically trying to run the fuck away from him and drag others with you. Obviously if God = good, and wants good things for you, he doesn't want anyone to be miserable. There's a lot of ressons to still be-

Distressed, he wasn't like 'hey Jesus, I know you're being tortured, but smile, okay?' But he eants eberyone to find their best chance towards salvation, in which case Hell is just the torture you make for yourself and what you let others do unless you go towards good"

So in this epic saga of redeemed Satan, (Aish now -- Hebrew for fire, slang intended) 5 members of Garden of Eden and creating the spark that was supposed to train sentient Earth (archangels, humans, eventually others: elephants, whales, gorillas, => STARS AND ALIENS!!! ) to get over the evolutionary instincts to move beyond them;

Ie: hierarchies
In a just "God's world" there is only 1. Everyone is equal respect importance and significance, but God is bestest.

Caveat: but CC, you believe in archangels and Mary, Jesus' mother as Queen of Heaven!

Okay yes but -- Lilith's thing was also supposed to be constantiy challenging Satan wrt: "nuh-uh I'm your EQUAL" and very much ingrained

In the whole "darkness has a vital role too. Too much light can burn you. You SHOULD fear the dark because it contains so much unknown and lethality. But you can overcome it."

There are necessary instincts of hierarchies and family. Simply saying "it's a base animal instinct like pooping and sex" is wrong. Instincts aren't wrong, they help you survive. There are many wonderful things about family and military rank that are useful ror humanity, but as with critical theories or side rulers, they are never a tool for every single

Job.

So I've never been annoyed that the Catholic church doesn't have female priests -- not because the priests literally become Jesus during sacrament (what???) Or punishment for Eve (no)

Nor because "women must have children!!!!" (Absolutely fuck that forever)

But because women generally understand spirit world easier than men and men need more help from a source they can trust \:|/

"CC that sounds super sexist! /apalled"

Yes, and?

So one whole big roundabout later

I think when God let Adam and Eve skip out of "human re-education fix-it school" (Garden of Eden) early because their other partner/teacher in SATAN fucked up and did opposite-ish to try to prove to god "No humans are dangerous monsters worse than dinosaurs"

they were missing as well the tertiary pieces of clan/tribe/family in those who don't have their own children and that's okay and even good for society

Obviously around Moses' time; THAT (those without their own offspring who are more caretakers/teachers of adults too) was so fucked up because yeah pederasty could be really fucking abusive, and the whole Roman empire went sideways with some cult temples and bestiality and all the fucked up shit

--> I've heard often from Christians the reason against homosexuality as a "natural" reason is that there are no offspring ++ "but miracles wrt very elderly couples +/or disabled couples still happens" so the difference is "no chance for offspring" and this is cited also to restrict especially religious deferrent conservative women to a breeding and

caretaker status.

WHICH IS ALSO FLAWED -- Eve was NOT meant to be both biological mother and raise Cain & Abel alone or even with only Adam's help. She was supposed to have ~ a community ~ in the form of Lilith, [Yang], and Aish (Satan)

So single mothers are shunned for literally all the wrong reasons; because everyone probably has SOME very basic buried instinct screaming at them they are supposed to help her, but most don't know where to begin because God didn't get to complete that training program with the 5

Now even where Lilith existed; (a labyrinthine realm that is no more...) Satan stalked the shit out of Hebrew people as God's chosen and also because -- how do I put this gently? - He's dumb.

but this worked fine, because where God meant for Lilith to cover the Americas, and [Yang] to handle Asia -- as those were harder for Adam & Eve's descendants to reach (gee I wonder why) Lilith was sufficiently hidden from Satan until he fixed his shit

So places like the Congo, Aztecs, etc. [Yang] was able to carry across certain traditions missing and then Jesus tried to fill in like.... 5/6ths and redirect/correct the parts especially that Adam & Even sort of fucked up the worst

buuuut things Lilith specifically had unique to her;

overcoming fears (especially of the dark/void/SPACE)
- solitude (general drive to RUN OFF AND BE ALONE -- Satan reins her back in "no no Darkness Chuuni, friends are good, don't abandon your family come on now..."

Fear of people because sometimes they are fucking destructive & crazy

(Both Satan and Lilith way more than the other 3 because [Yang] is a huge extrovert who adores people and is all about the charisma, but Lilith prefers midnight watch specifically so less people and then their destruction also sometimes Lilith is fine with >>; ditto death <<; Well she's very opposite everyone else so see also: IT'S RAINY GRAY YAY YAY YAY)

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