I moved heaven and Earth to get this conceivably within "today" and am still watching yellowjackets 3x09

/o/

will look at it probably tomorrow, at DnD at the moment

Yes I'm sorry I haven't put in pings yet there is no!!! Rush!!!

Tempted to have Yelena mark up a copy of Walter's annotated version and stick it somewhere.

oh my god

Well we know V&A are gonna do that. The copies are initially in the speakeasy but they are free to the world like dandelion spores

.... i need to vote someone picking up some and just sticking them random on people like 'kick me' signs

All I ask is that you poke me so I can try to be active when something like this drops

maruah: Sounds like a job for Vinnie's inmate.

Man I can see the mischievous FF inmates possibly doing that

Truly it does

Or the remnants yes

I wonder if Wu Xin would

I edited to clarify the purpose of the huge puzzle book

Oh! antipositional! I wanted to ping you, hello!

quantumvelvet: just to clarify like... Positive markup? Negative markup? Mixed?

Mixed.

She agrees or would elaborate on some of his points, disagrees with others.

That's fair. Mostly just curious whether she was going to go out of her way to make fun of him like GET A LOAD OF THIS BOZO! (if the idea is that she gets a copy stealthily to do this rather than talk it out first) which would be okay but just want to make sure I'd be pacing myself well

Malcolm's last comment would normally be quite witty, but alas, it's the Barge so cats spying is extremely plausible, especially with Cat King.

omg I saw this first and IT'S TRUE!

You can't even relax around animals on the Barge, you just can't.

You couldn't when Makima was around either

to be fair

she didn't tell people about that

so you could totally relax!

There's probably usually at least one person onboard with powers that allow them to hijack animals

For the record Walter was mostly just thinking that there are a decent number of wardens who hang out here.

Crime in the City full episode: The '70s, Manhattan ... this is inspo for Misty's gift to Walter of authentic 70s true crime but it has some surprising Pyotr inspo in the middle. Maybe he could catch something similar to this on hotel TV in the news

and theres Taylor and the bugs

hahaha

Walter has heard some things about the bugs

the bugs :')

o7 I am out all day but I've got a note to check the post out tomorrow!!!

arthur still can't be mad that someone made a counterproposal for the bill, bc that's what he was asking for to begin with, but he's still mad/tired it's walter

lol oh Arthur welcome to Malcolm's world of Walter being exhausting 😜

oh don't worry he's been here since day 1

when he fell into walter's dreamworld bubble, found himself in handcuffs and didn't know seatbelts were a thing and got slammed into the front seat when walter stopped unexpectedly

oops

funny enough that happened nearly two months before malcolm got permapaired with walter

so arthur got his grudge first tyvm

Walter is honestly gonna be surprised to get a remotely serious reaction. Arthur said so many times that certain parts were not reasonable to change

honestly he'll take it more seriously than vincent v's amendments. not because it's walter vs VV but because an inmate perspective on why this might fucking suck is exactly what he wants

But Walter also isn't surprised it had to be him because literally he was not born in a wet cardboard box all alone like 90% of the barge

which is very different from someone who's only been a warden, even if VV might've suffered under other systems

Malcolm doesn't have a grudge; he's just tired XD

He really thinks that having had a somewhat normal and even luxurious life before the barge gives him freaking standards, which passengers on the barge are deliberately selected to NOT have. Including ones like Malcolm who despite having materially well supplied lives manage to experience this as a peaceful oasis

MALCOLM WASN'T IT SO MUCH BETTER WHEN WALTER HID HIS FEELINGS AND PRETENDED TO BE HAPPY ALL THE TIME!

Pyotr was abandoned in a wet cardboard box at age 5 and he can still tell this sucks <3

No.

That was much more exhausting.

Pyotr is the fucking chosen one who has principles unlike absolutely everyone

You say this Malcolm and yet every time Walter expresses a feeling "exhausting <3 manipulative <3 bitter <3 hope you tired yourself out, I'm going off for some self care"
(He really sees it this way)

LOL Walter they need to work on your worldview. And remember: you're the one that set the expectations for exhausting and manipulative bitterness to be your point at all times.

If Malcolm had been willing to put the slightest effort into the cat and mouse game, this could have been different!!!!!

And he did not ask to be bitter. It is a proportionate reaction to all the bullshit that has happened

Honestly he's started to let go a little bit but this is actually bad character development because he's getting decadent and lazy again

Oh Walter.

He asked to do more puzzles.

You said no.

He tried to meet you where you are and you slapped him down

There have to be STAKES.

WHY?

justghosts OH RIGHT I FORGOT TO TELL YOU ONE THING. basically I was like. "man I need to write a list of places where Walter would be and could plausibly be pranked. wait, I'm working on an open log. OK! When I make the log, I can link it to them and that can be the reference Jesus uses!!" JUST SO YOU KNOW

OH so this is still April 1st? mwahaha

MORE LIKE

"ok I should reply to the april 1st thread with a list of places Walter might be. that takes some effort to come up with. wait, I will type up the log, THEN I can reply to the separate april 1st thread saying these are places Walter might be"

OH GOTCHA

so we can ultimately have both an april fools thread and this second new chill thread

but Im like OH NO. I GOTTA REPLY AND GET THE APRIL FOOL'S THREAD ROLLING OH RIGHT

yarnzipan I almost wrote so much more stuff here but I felt like nothing could convey more clearly that THIS is Walter's takeaway what the FUCK

not even description of him getting up and the communicator clatters to the ground

just

THAT is the takeaway

John just like' YOU COULD HAVE ASKED THIS AT ANY TIME AND INSTEAD YOU CARVED UP MY SOUL MATE YOU DIPSHIT.'

Walter did straight up say to Misty "You shot Arthur, presumably with a firearm of some kind. For all I know, there were totally different circumstances, but I thought... because of all the relationships you have, you couldn't escape from him. And afterwards, you had to accept it." and she did NOT say no to the point I am gonna poke Iddy again

just to be SURE cause if nothing else a long time has passed since this convo

but hooray at least Walter is finally gettin some fuckin context now even though in the immediate next sentence or so it is not gonna be super successful

John tries really hard to believe the best of Misty. she always thinks he doesn't and he finds it frustrating but he does!

misty blissfully unaware that she could have helped avoid at least a chunk of walter's current crisis by NOT going "oh wow the arthur situation was embarrassing, i'm never going to talk about it or think about it again"

John's not asking her. Because it never goes well and he's (like just for him) never seen her take culpability for hurting Arthur or Arthur getting hurt.

and he likes her and he doesn't want to explode if she does it again.

he's just... rocking along with the idea that she didn't put the idea in Walter's head and she just didn't happen to say anything that explained it

...Walter might get yelled at in a minute though

she could also help avoid that (i.e. john being hurt by her not having apologized) by not playing the avoidance game, but it feels too vulnerable and she's scared :') better, in her mind, to just never bring it up ever ever ever than to risk trying to clear the air and it going badly

I'm taking a bit longer to reply cause I'm like "shit I need to figure out how to make sure monitor stuff is still discussed" LIKE BOTH ARE IMPORTANT but Walter might just be freaking out

he doesn't blame her for Walter's actions because Walter was the one who should have fucking checked first and he genuinely does not think Misty would have set him on that path. He does have that much faith in her.

at worst he thinks she was probably thoughtless in calling him an asshole offhand and not realizing Walter's intentions

oh the quoted part "Arthur was an asshole" was AFTER Walter's attack had already happened

he does very much wish he didn't have two fucking nickles on this one, though guys. Your research game is is shit ya'll.

the 'Arthur/John did something horrible against poor defenseless person-I-want-to-support, now I must hurt them to show solidarity' nickles suck

honestly Walter still thinks the M-A network interactions he observed were Arthur starting shit

yeah if they get to that, John will say that Misty repeatedly triggered Arthur even after being asked not to and given specific instructions of what was doing it, and about the cup

so he's not currently thinking "I ATTACKED HIM FOR A FAKE REASON?" even if there were wildly misleading thoughts of the gun story

but they are still nickels

Walter had not directly discussed the shooting with Misty before he went forward with the attack. he is a fool

Ihdreniel: it's okay Misty he's kinda... accepted it's not happening. and just sort of integrated that into their tentative friendship

it's tragic because she genuinely wants to be close friends with him, but there's just so much fraught history there that she doesn't even know how to begin to address

sadly due to S2 circumstances this is also adding to Walter's "what the FUCK natalie" ism
he is aware it is not productive
but
what the FUCK natalie

Ihdreniel: I will see if the discussion ends in a way where John would feel like he can go talk to Misty about it

just kind of like 'so I want to be 150% clear I do not and have not and will not hold you responsible for his actions, but I just talked to Walter and-"

oocly i'm fine with however things shake out! john has plenty of his own valid reasons to keep his distance

and their tentative little overtures towards each other are still sweet ;;

their little honey lemon tea or whatever it is...

well, like, before not talking about it was fine but now he's finding out it's another communication thing so he would be kind of inclined to go find her and go '...can this... not... happen again please?'

'I don't want three nickles.'

Walter: you won't get a third nickel because no one else cares about Misty <3

well if someone whiteknights about Arthur talking down to Yelena for instance then that is their problem. yes this needs to be prevented.
Walter: does it though

John: ...you shut your mouth, captain of the failboat 'USS Confirmation Bias'

he does think Misty is very loveable

just... /gestures at STUFF

she's still going to be his daughter in law after all

Malcolm likes Misty.

But has no interest in anyone’s nickels. He’s dealing with enough.

BUT i think he and Walter have had a breakthru

At least Malcolm is trying to get Walter off the ship, however foolishly and ineptly... "I really don't want you to hang around here against your will, losing hope and getting more and more incurably miserable with every passing day." /gestures at Pyotr

Yeah man! Come out of your room and find something to live for!

Malcolm will pretend you’re successfully manipulating him if it’s good for morale?

RIGHT LIKE WALTER BROUGHT UP "A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN HERE FOR A LONG TIME" but he definitely was ALSO thinking "bro did you not realize Pyotr is suffering so bad???????"

He doesn't even spend that much time in his room.

but he was good and did not bring it up

like he figured "people have been here longer than me" had more rhetorical effect for a lot of reasons but there are people who have been here about same, or shorter, time who are Sufferin'

Sweeney also just seems to be getting more and more incurably miserable, even after 4 or so years

So...

Well yes but he literally cannot help them. Only their wardens can ask for anything for them.

He is doing his best for the one (1) person he can MAYBE do something for ;.;

Walter's thinking is more like Malcolm just now having this epiphany that the Barge is actually a place where a person can get more and more reasonable "bro have you met Sweeney??????"

* more and more miserable

He tried really hard to help Sweeney early on but they are in solidarity mode now. Will and Malcolm promised not to leave before he graduates.

Is not misery the most reasonable reaction to the Barge?

Nope it was super good for John, honestly. But his existence before then was being a voice in the back of Arthur's head so...

low bar.

He has but Sweeney doesn’t want to go live on the Clipper or die instead.

Also yeah. He likes it here.

Walter is pretty sure Sweeney is open to go to another ship, though might choose to stay out of loyalty in the end

Malcolm, I mean. But he gets that not everyone does and that inmates are more likely to not bc of their circumstances.

Sweeney loved the Brig, if I remember

yeah he was on the Brig!

yes!

He had a pool there

But would he rather be sent there alone than stay here with Laura and his family?

Maybe if you two got laid and made some friends you could at least cope

BARGE ALWAYS PRESENTIGN SEX AS THE SOLUTION

Sex is a better coping mechanism than drugging someone and turning them into a pie, Walter

Admiral bringing Laura to manipulate him into staying

Walter would not tell him about this right away but he literally went on a "date" with Yelena man. and it was friendly at least. he is open he just doesn't want all this "oh yeah it's not hell ^_^" bullshit

whether to love or to friendship (and it should not be like sex/romance has to matter the most depending on the person)

John is in solidarity with Kahl that this isn't hell, though.

oh it can suck but it ain't hell

and like why does having happy bonds to tolerate the barge matter so much more than like... anything to do with actual severity of crimes

in a prison you don't get released early cause you're fucking your cellmate

Correct but this also isn’t a prison.

yes it's a cult

"stop killing people" is also not the rule points at NS

it IS a prison.

but it is a prison with an exit door

so yay for that at least

an exit door of get laid and accept the admiral is always right which is not what a real prison[1] would have
prison[1] place for management of criminals
prison[2] place where you are detained

lol literally no one says the Admiral is right all the time

accepting the admiral is always right is different from saying it

accepting that the Admiral has the key so you play the game is different from saying he's right

in John's view a prison is a place where you didn't get to choose to be here and don't get to choose to leave. das it.

Pyotr is based off a guy who was held in the Peter and Paul fortress in ten years, in fetters that he couldn't even fully sit up in, dying of scurvy, and still spit in a guard's face for offering him a bribe. Not trying to say that guy was cool, he was definitely bad, but yeah- defiance

with the cat video thing I need you to know that if he explicitly talked to Lark about this, he should have included some of the ones that are like "aww, you're cats and dogs!"

LOL he did not talk to Lark about it; he got Iris to take him there for like an hour and then to bring him back XD

Show Pyotr some cat videos, man. Cheer him up.

Also what happened to oh I can never go back and abandon you AND will AND wu xin

It was FOR Walter and it was HALF AN HOUR

and he made Iris wait for him so he couldn't get stuck

Lark goes home for dinner every weekend. no abandoning going on!

Are wardens really allowed to come and go that much?

If they have a lift...

yeah though I don't think any of them do besides Lark

and if Lark's inmate wasn't so good he wouldn't

Didn't he supernaturally carve someone into pieces and stick them in a series of boxes last month?

There's a wide variance. I believe for Lark it's "a few days a month", I didn't know until now if it was in a batch or weekly. I don't know if they need a bus to do it, I thought no they could ask the admiral - jedao seemed to have done this

I remember reading somewhere the Admiral didn't like them coming and going too much, but I may be mistaken

It's true he has said this sometimes, he's not running a hotel

That’s why Malcolm doesn’t want to it very rarely and only if it’s REALLY important.

Walter needed to know his needs are important to Malcolm.

He said he needed cat videos

He got cat videos!

quantumvelvet: yeah but CK deserved it

werewolf justice

Relevant to Walter:

but also

Arthur explicitly said outright to will on his post just before that the Admiral is not perfect, or necessarily praise-worthy, but he is consistent

So far 17 wardens signed, 4 inmates signed, 10 inmates abstained and one warden abstained. On the one hand this might make a bill hater happy but on the other hand a lot of the abstention is just "whatever" so it might indicate "whatever" abstention during the vote for monitor as well.

On the PWM, it said Husk (warden) would also hasnt signed it but just because it doesnt seem necessary. IDK if he'll abstain permanently though

I think its interesting that Florian signed when Thrawn is against it for reasons of it inviting others to meddle (Thrawns perspective) in his pairing

Walter would agree that the admiral is consistent but he doesn't think that the consistency is like... For an ideal that's good. He thinks it's for an ideal that is somewhere between neutral and bad. Mostly because after NS he genuinely believes "oh to graduate you just gotta murder less " is a bald faced lie

Yeah obviously by definition this is not a final count. I believe it was also said Blitz's reaction is in progress for instance

I mentioned Husk just because I am curious if more wardens will abstain, though

I'm also just sorta bumping this because I'm going to be doing a certain amount of afk weekend things and I currently am not aware of IBOR2STFU reactions which is cool cause they take time and thought just if anyone wants me to start chewing on their plot lmk

I might try and get you a starter with Abel. to at least get it started.

OKAY gonna try to finally get to this tonight... /o\ are you thinking just a random encounter somewhere?

(all the papers are in the speakeasy, right? unless I'm misreading, totally possible XD)

Yes, currently the only major supply of papers is in the speakeasy. But like cannibalherpes or something if you want to handwave Trevor got a copy to Steve that could work. ACTUALLY. Did Trevor or someone getting up Steve's flier happen. Because then I think it would suffice to say Walter was lurking in the kennel waiting for him to happen by

I think Walter like is aware of Steve and B so figured B is often here in kennels, Steve might drop by

If he was asked he would have! Sorry got lost in the mix

I doooon't think his flier has gone up yet but that's because I'm working on a few other things, but I can move that along if needed and then meeting outside the kennel makes sense!

cannibalherpes nah their conversation steered away from it and then I got distracted lol. either trevor or laura can do it (and he's in the middle of talking to laura too haha)

but we can probably handwave-y assume there is a flier up and walter and steve can cross paths in the kennel absolutely, even if the other details aren't worked out yet

B didn't seem against steve doing that.I just still haven't decided if steve is actually signing the bill of rights document or not yet

but it's not like the inmates know anyway if wardens are only supposed to sign the copy in the warden lounge

antipositional i'd still love for him to actually talk to Arthur about it, hah

(which I think was the case?)

haha I feel like everything yelena said to him is pretty much what steve would say, which is why he didn't respond in the first place

but I am not against it if you want to have them talk. I just need to figure out a reason he'd approach rather than throw his hands up, is all. or of course there's always an awkward meetcute in the hallway XD like obviously oocly I am happy to engineer something :3

Signatures are revocable anyway also. I would say it wouldn't significantly change the thread if it helps to say that, like, Walter's reaction. For instance Malcolm has signed it but also has his own issues and listened to Walter's reasons it seriously might not help

yeah no I don't think it would change a walter/steve thread to know whether he's signed it or not yet, at least

shrodinger's signature

but yeah Maniette we might just have to engineer a meeting and then get them talking about it XD but totally doable

He has to support this thingie. He doesn’t have the social currency to debate whether it goes far enough!

But he does think Walter has some valid points in amongst his bad faith paranoid nonsense <3

There is not the biggest rush ever to start the Steve thread though, I already have many tags today

<333 okay well I will definitely try to get you a starter at some point just so I don't forget

So no pressure

I have a bajillion tags to catch up on, too. they are like tribbles XD

Malcolm. Buddy. People with far less social currency are pushing back on it.

arthur also needs to hear about the entire point of this post as well bc DESPITE WHAT WALTER THINKS he does genuinely want to take advice under consideration

like /willsmiths at B, he took Yelena's advice on a point that was raised to fix the wording!

quantumvelvet: his response would be ‘there are people with less social currency?’ But he’s not NOT pushing at all. Saga just talked him into making it a completely separate project.

Because he was told this isn’t the time for your questions but also not told when that time would be.

I mean she more said "I don't think that's what he's going for here why don't you do something on your own"

A whole separate project.

yup

Oh I assumed Vincent S was going to bring IBORSTFU from the speakeasy to Arthur at some point or whatever he saw fit

he is!

Plus she gave him a lab partner

yup!

Archer thumbs up

Btw now that this has gone public did you get to put a link into the OOC plotting post?

YES thank yoU!

How public is it?

Ok the more precise term would have been "now that it's in actual threads on the comm in some way" then.

So yes at this exact moment Malcolm might not know.

ancillaries: also quick question for purposes of moving on, is Walter ever answering John again or did he dip from pure WTF?

no rush on it happening

just curious intentions!

YES I am sorry about that. Like just yes he is going to answer though he will probably TRY to pivot back onto the original monitor topic as soon as he can. Though I know you're active so maybe I will write a "what the FUCK" kind of reply soon even if that does not contain the pivot so it will at least help some

ancillaries: no rush! seriously! I just wanted to make sure we were on same page!

I kinda have not done tags Monday flop. Fresh start Tuesday...

Oh absolutely. More like "well I know DANII isn't going anywhere so maybe I am at liberty and will not PUSH multiple topics into one tag for efficiency"

yes indeed!

antipositional i don't have a current log for arthur besides his network post, but we can use that or i can hit steve's inbox for their dumb meetcute?

15 16 17 19 18 20 21Walter

either one works for me! /unhelpful lol

if you want it all in one place, I don't mind throwing some spam up on your post, but inboxes are always fine with me, too

I need people to know. I call it IBOR2STFU because STFU is a more readily recognized abbreviation in writing than SU. Walter did not swear however tempted he may have been

OKAY 200 years late but Steve's note for reference and I'mma tag in to Walter's post tonight!

and Maniette re: Arthur I can throw that spam tag your post if that seems to work? I don't know that steve is going to be super argumentative or anything, he'll feel like he's handled it and that's that by now, but still happy to have them talk if you'd like!

otherwise we can always wait and have something else come up, it's totally up to when/how you'd like them to talk

vincent s. has actually brought arthur a copy of walter's amendments now so he can definitely bring up to arthur that there's a note from steve in there too! and then arthur can even approach steve directly to be like "hey, what the fuck"

ooh sure~ do you still just want something in the hallway or dining hall maybe? like as a setting, I don't want to assume how forward arthur will be

oh arthur will not be mincing words, lmfao

haha always the best way.

like. arthur is polite, as a base rule. he doesn't tend to say what he's genuinely thinking if he's not confident it'll be received well, bc he knows the importance of Playing Nice In A Closed Environment

but also if he's pissed then all decorum goes out the window and he goes for the fucking jugular

Oh my goodness??????

okay, there you go, let me know if that doesn't work!

lolol this might be fun then because steve's gonna be more of a solid wall on this. he didn't like it, so he hasn't signed it yet, and there's nothing wrong with what he did

(says him)

That is not the Arthur Experience some people in the closed environment have had

I mean part two covers his experience

If this helped character conflict progress then I'm hype

Ah yes i’m on mobile so part 2 updated after XD

Yes.

oh my god "determining whether the event is something an inmate has brought WITH them (such as Edwin's return from the Dreamlands)" APRIL 2024 EVENT WASN'T A FLOOD info dropped???

I probably won't have Walter make that jump immediately but he might ask someone "... What?"

OOCly it was a flood! ICly apparently the malevolent cast are slippery fuckers for the boat to pick up, and the King in Yellow/Edwin is inherently tied to the Dreamlands bc of Eldritch Bullshit so pieces of his kingdom came with him

Oh okay. See like I thought Dreamlands was considered "not a flood IC" in the sense that Hanna event was "not a flood".

those are both player-organised floods OOCly, but ICly they're Weird Bullshit People Did To The Barge

Admiral put those two barge wide occurrences in the same category here though not fully explaining it

YEAH there we go

Up until now Walter thought that April 2024 was a true flood (distinctly recognized as similar to the other ships). But now the gears might get turning there. And genuinely kinda [red string conspiracy board]

Again not immediately from the sentence itself, like he never heard "dreamlands" used to describe the event, he briefly interacted with Edwin but was not told there was anything in particular related to him

god, that's the funniest string to add to the conspiracy board

one with literally no bearing on arthur whatsoever

Collins in the running for sanest Malevolent character

absolutely fucking not, lmfao

Walter (L):
Also Walter: https://media1.tenor.com...

on a side note, as has been said before, Walter and Pyotr staying in their rooms really is not a thing that happens or the main problem and this spider bullshit is a perfect example. lol.

spiders can't go in your rooms unless you take them there tho

safe as houses

if you are not already in the room, then the process of opening the door to get back into the room will let the spiders into your room

I hope no one lets spiders into Pyotr's room while he's in a coma.

this was my thought about Hanna. wakes up have spiders inside his gaps. especially since this is happening while Taylor is also coma'd

floofdoodle hi, do you imagine this new tag as before or after Vincent S outing himself as the bill's author? just making sure

I don't know. When did he, and how 'public' was it, as far as being potentially nested in things that are longer conversations?

And when did Walter put his stuff out, in relation to that?

Sorry that it's all timey wimey as I'm trying to catch up so far after the fact

Vincent posted this morning

and was VERY public

yarnzipan: thanks. I'm working from the back of my inbox, so I just haven't read it yet

If that's the case, Sweeney would probably be contacting Walter before, around the time the stuff shows up in the speakeasy

ok! cause "Sweeney talks to Walter before Vincent s's notable public post" would definitely work best for me!

So I will reply accordingly!

Thank you so much

screaming. Yelena fighting the good fight for forty year old boys with asthma

I am glad Florian added air quality for that shield

I told you they have little brother energy that has nothing to do with their ages!

Walter was definitely one of the people she was thinking of who could be seriously fucked up by pumping toxins into the air supply.

Also, one of the Barge's passengers is a literal cat. And they have a hobbit.

hoo boy Julian would be SUPER PISSED if it had actually happened XD

don't worry, baby. random

pinene Walter

Out of context TNGTLV but especially right now

Haaahahahahaha!

lestat speaks for us all
This is a placeholder for a new commentary that will cover Walter going to meet Ashton for absolutely no reason (he has several reasons)

Try not to die, Walter.

As long as he stealthily carries his stun gun like Yelena suggested, surely he'll be fine! (No promises.)

Walter is Waltering... Help ... And in light of recent events he has Waltered some more...

he also has those protection spells Hanna gave him in case of emergencies

finley/roxy (@nyliumboo) on XTLV ihdreniel

tru