cannibalherpes yarnzipan narrowmybed pinging players whose characters I see commenting

hah

oh Vincent's been catty

link to the other plurk

Oh good. I was trying to find that link but having trouble while at work. /goes to read

wrote some for Varker yesterday... I should do more

Trevor slowly losing his mind getting drunk. Not at all the reason why me, the player, accidentally made a second Steve

every time he marks down that someone's okay with graverobbing he takes a drink

Nine shots! Nine! Ah ah ah.

old steve and new steve entry

I originally made this partially to help people if they wanted to edit it but now a THIRD person has replied to new steve so I'm just like. do people want it to stay like this. it's so funny

yeah it's gonna stay. can't remove anything after all

what is a ledger party?

Hahaha

Sorry Steve

So nice youre in there twice

therebriedragons: first of all I'll explain that the ledger is similar to the network communicators in that it's magical text, every inmate entering the speakeasy can contribute, can't be "edited". however, similar to IC inbox, the ledger isn't on reading pages. so I announced a "party" (just spontaneously used the phrase) to facilitate IC interactions.

particularly because the ledger entry is supposed to focus on the permanent text, so if you want to do a thread of the characters actually talking, it would probably best be threaded somewhere else. I have done such a thing before, example

Trevor, you talked to him about it on his apology post

o\ sorry that's my memory gone, lemme go edit

yarnzipan anyway another reason I made this post is that I know I eventually became unable to keep up with our now-very-old thread where Walter and Vincent were talking about stuff including Trevor, so I'm like, I'd feel bad having Walter make comments without allowing your input on that situation. I do have some old material prepared

(if PP is better for that, also cool)

sure sure!

what's funny is he actually likes Trevor as a person for the most part

i'm enjoying this anyway

NANCY SPEAKING THE TRUTH

lmao

Jinx did an "edit" that is just petty, single line through Admiral's name

hell yeah

Jinx has decided she likes Trevor. I'm sorry, Trevor

Sadly, my inmate isn't the type to write anything. But also... he would be more concerned with the guy putting people on hooks than the guy who retaliated against that. If there was a name or description he would stay well away from hook guy and only eye Trevor warily.

Billy is staying out of it

though he noticed that threat to Sheehan

Trevor doesn't even like himself sorry Jinx

skiesonfire: that edit won't stay

the book doesn't allow anyone to edit what's in there, only add

AisuYoukai I will probably have Walter give a name and description for Max

though with confirmation

I mean "give a description with the name Max"

I believe he is currently unaware of the chosen name Billy as the post explicitly said it was locked to close CR, and the port happened kinda soon after that, so it would be likely for few interactions to occur and for Walter to be unaware

I would write up a quick plurk paste for Danii to approve OOC

yup Walter wouldn't have been on that

feel free to write whatever Walter

yarnzipan: that's what I figured, thanks for clarifying :>

Walter glaring at that picture Blitz drew of stabbing "ppl who fuck with Trevor" that he cannot cross out

ffff

so yeah this is a major thing IC

everyone: do you regret anything?
Trevor, demoted and screaming at half the ship: yeah one time I fucked up a friendship with walter and pyotr, should have revolted

LITERALLY THOUGH

Vincent: excellently said, Vice Admiral

/middle fingers, goes to wait out his hangover in the walk-in freezer

Vincent: /flutterywave

though... why would Walter put that in the warden ledger? (just thinking about it)

Max/Billy isn't and wasn't a warden

fff I love armand

My guess is for thoroughness? Maybe adding more detail in there? I could see Walter doing that.

well, I was thinking something very similar to what Aisu-as-Joel was thinking, so seeing that comment, I was like "yeah, he should definitely do it then". so this would be an add-on to the Trevor entry.

"I shouldn't even be in this anymore since I got demoted"

Funnily enough, I was thinking earlier too bad it's not an "everyone" ledger instead of just a warden ledger....

ANOTHER GOOD POINT LMAO

but

in the initial incident. Max demonstrated extreme strength even relative to other "newcomer rampages". Walter is somewhat skeptical of "thought he was caught in some kind of death game". what if an event similar to the shoe flood happened, or what if Max's canonmate arrived?

in terms of influence that might lead to another attack

Someone stick one in the library and everyone can read everything about everyone. Onky the brave (and stupid) write in it. >XD

like, he doesn't think a death game is literally false, but he does think that Vincent seems to be describing the situation in a very generous way

also similar to the "huh, why ISN'T it just an 'everyone ledger' then" idea, with stuff like the admiral getting an entry, Walter has recently been starting to have more hope of skeptical inmates and maybe even wardens on board, with stuff like Ellie's arrival

tbh I was just sitting here thinking about how Jinx would totally do a "Dirt On Everyone" book that's just a book for ranting about each other

literally mean girls: barge edition

just sits there right in the middle of the library, for all to access, and is just a place to be petty

RIGHT lmao

wanna draw someone's face with mean words all over it? go for it

better than getting into actual fights, maybe, if you're trying to graduate

I also think a plot to put photos into either the speakeasy ledger or a new book would be very interesting

Walter: oh, no, if you're trying to graduate actual fights are better, lol

ancillaries: Max's canonmate did arrive

they were actually friends

I will check for arrival post from the guy (if it was public it had been something "not extremely immediately relevant to Walter at the time")

and the one warden ledger was a counter to the inmate ledger in the warden lounge

ancillaries: I know Dwight DID post but yeah he was here for a bit

cannibalherpes: it does actually mark demotion and graduation on people I just haven't yet because Life

see Arthur's

Oh no I joke that he's still allowed to write entries under his name

"this is a conflict of interest"

"why are people acting like I'm a warden still, I have two active ledgers now and it's weird"

oh boy :]

"you still act like you're a warden "

WELL. ABOUT THAT. HEHEHE. (things I am scheming)

ffff oh man

"LITERALLY I HAVE ACTED THIS WAY SINCE i SHOWED UP ON THIS SHIP"

though I'll have to make sure my comment doesn't incorporate knowledge of Kyoko lore

Yeah, it's a good counter and makes sense as is.

Walter's knowledge of the early days if "acted like a hunter (derogatory) (kicked the asses of a lot of random monsters)"

"Not better."

The joke is just everyone on the Barge has shit to say whether someone is a warden or an inmate. Such is life!

like the idea "we need a ledger on wardens" makes sense but also like "hm we inmates should compile information on inmates to protect ourselves" also makes sense

Yelena just "you mean you don't?", returns to jotting notes in incomprehensible cipher.

Florian hides his own notes.

we don't talk about Kepler's notes

Jinx like "I just let everything get jumbled and distorted in my head so I lash out in weird ways at the worst time"

i will note there kind of IS an "everything" book

but no one uses it

it's in the library

ooooo

you talking about the Barge info material or something else?

link to a library book!

Jinx did use that

for getting caught up

very helpful :>

it's literally just an info book but there's no rules on what to write there to help get someone up to date

"how to use a washer dryer" and "don't threaten Cloud in front of Sephiroth" are both good starter advice

do you think it would be okay to at least link "triumvirate event statement" here in some form?

I will do a writeup with your approval (I know people can just do whatever but this case is kinda different cause it's not as simple as "a sentence Walter wrote up" exactly)

Florian didn't make an inmate-on-inmate book because he figured it'd literally just be either ass patting or brigading of certain people or people using it to lure others by writing entries about themselves

nod

ancillaries: I don't know what you mean on this

I will just show you shortly

like this'

there, Jinx "sneakily" adding some stuff she thought it could use

jinx that's cute

she even used black ink like that'll help hide that she did it

alas that Jon has gone and the Archive with him

looks good to me!

thank u!!

ALSO Jinx's comment works out so good because I kept meaning for Walter to message John Doe "was there... ever... a laissez faire monitor...?????? I'm laissezing the faire of course but just curious" but stuff keeps coming up. that said it will be a few days

lmao! excellent

ancillaries: no worries! though if he talks to the new folks, John's done his best to be VERY proactive

he is currently alone in the role

yes!

also re: Max, Vincent doesn't really give a shit about him as a person. he was murdered early on and figures inmates gonna murder. he takes issue with Trevor because he was in a position of authority and decided to take his ire out on an jnmate who particularly bothered him. He went after Ulla (gently but he did) over CK who he very much hates himself.

the old material for those playing along at home!

Ulla can't read her page but would love Ashton's response

Exceptionally straightforward and direct. She doesn't appreciate or even necessarily understand obfuscation or beating around the bush, so don't.

THEY SEE HER.

man, writing Vincent S and Walter discussing how "the victim" (Pyotr... HE WOULD HATE BEING CALLED THIS. SORRY) went unnoticed by their warden and now I'm so sad thinking about how Walter initially imagined Blitz's attack as stabbing Pyotr then using his own demon magic to heal him then stab him all over again and so on

what's funny is Blitzo also attacked Max/Billy and he said nothing because he assumed nothing would be done given Trevor

LMAO Cloud would be so weirded out if that advice about not threatening him in front of Sephiroth really was in the book

pinging players whose characters I see commenting
Translation: "players with the bitchiest characters"

Vincent: /bows

I'm almost ready to do my part
one - bbitsaboi
two - magicom

Hanna would be frustrated that Walter didnt at least add he immediately owned up to it after and never once complained about people being pissed off at him. He likes to think he publicly took that like a champ

There will actually be more comments about it later

Walter is actually only pissed off that Hanna would stay and work for the admiral after that

Like, if you're a school bus driver, and your boss cuts the brakes and you crash the bus and kill dozens of people, that was an accident but maybe change districts

Everyone is so lucky Walter doesn't know about Silent Hill 2 on the Narrenschiff, man

what, you mean he and Vincent's first date??? naw that was quiet and a pocket of joy out of something super traumatizing.

Walter, who always wondered which pocket yelena got "blown to pieces" in

Walter would be kinda surprised at specifically "you should at least say I apologized" because he sorta has this perspective that "I'm apologizing! I'm holding myself accountable" is just an insincere additional layer of barge bullshit

fog world gun deck was harmless claims Hanna.

To him, "it was an accident, we asked the admiral to make it impossible" was far more compelling, but Hanna taking accountability and giving back as a warden kinda goes in the opposite direction ...

he'd think it would be the distinction of a sincere apology setting him apart as 'I legit didn't mean to' and 'I had some clue or even did it on purpose'

Hanna thinks the Admiral is like. chaotic neutral, and he isn't here for the Admiral, hes there cause he has limitations and lives to help people. the Admiral writes good checks he can cash

Blood money <3

Sebastian is delighted by Varker's angry rant about Vash.

(He has never met Vash and has nothing against him. He just likes spicy tea about wardens.)

eh, chaotic good over here, still cashing that check. every deal is helping 2 people he knows at the same time. it also helps that his life at home is pretty fucking chaotic and not at all normal so the barge doesn't throw him off as much as say Ethan or Varker who want things to make sense and also not be fucking awful all the time.

I feel like Sebastian and Varker could actually be terrible friends...

I concur! I'll throw Sebastian at Varker's latest log.

(Plus, Sebastian will of course adore Lullabee.)

this is the worst time to make friends but please do ♡ be a judgemental bitch with him Sebastian.

Walter thinks the admiral is like. Chaotic evil. He truly thinks he is the greatest conceivable evil, like, up there with military dictators or prolific serial killers, just could not possibly be worse

I'm sure lots of the barge is pointing and laughing at him haha you are little baby watch this. And yet. He persists thinking it.

Hanna doesn't really believe in the existence of evil as a constant so this also really misaligns his judgement comparatively

like concepts or actions, sure those are evil but a sentient being? naw. not all the time

Walter would acknowledge that hypothetically the admiral the individual being could maybe change. But the persistent actions in the office and title the admiral chooses to embody and occupy? THOSE are evil

He may sometimes physically help people, but the bad things are very much not outweighed

I'm finally back
cannibalherpes yarnzipan
writeup draft!!

I don't think he killed that many people. lemme check.

I think he only killed 3

affects your guys a good bit so I'll wait

I also wanted to explain another reason for Walter's suspicion of Max, this being his thread with Pyotr where he was suddenly a lot more defensive, and between Walter and Pyotr it kinda became a talking point "some guy hung people up on HOOKS!!11"

link

he only killed 3 people

Sam, Iris, and Sokie

he let Fizz go and Angel was saved before dying

a lot of people decided not to tag in so they didn't happen

ledger party!

AH it ended with Angel dying

so 4

/doublechecked thread

so yeah 4 dead, 1 injured straight up attack and a few people roughed up in the taking him down

ok. I think I saw this post and took it as real. I will say that probably the edited version would then say "hurting and killing several people" as here

this is cause my revised understanding there was no talking point "he killed X people"

I gotta be diligent on this stuff lol cause Walter was in a coma at the time

I fully admit I'm considering seriously how okay I am with having Billy's description in there when it's not really relevant to the point of this book, and he's literally the only inmate who's being singled out for this

he's already terrified of like... everyone. so giving him more challenges to anyone giving him a chance is something I'm wobble handing

my desire not to tell anyone what they should write is warring with 'given he's incredibly isolated already, I am not sure this is fun' since it might prove to him that people are not worth trying with depending on how or if it gets back to him

I can see where you're coming from. I can definitely table anything related to this for at least a day, I can see it's a complicated situation

--that is to also convey, I'll need some time to think. that I'm not really considering "ok I'll just post the first para abt Trevor now then!"
and also that it can still be discussed right now!!

nodnodnod!

I'm just trying to think it through because I'm not opposed to conflict or difficulties but also... the only person who gets this done to him is the mute guy with visible differences who's got a very low body count for 'violent inmates' who both apologized and spared someone' would potentially feel targeted to him?

I would say like points at Hanna the thought process is not "Max is the ONLY PERSON Walter would ever dig dirt up on for any reason" but I would say like also my first step is not "explain why Walter HAS to do this" but "ok first let's see what possible alternative options there are and if any of them are clearly better"

I may have reasons, but I do straight up think that a total veto ("no, let's not have Walter write this thing") would be an acceptable way to go. it's a major enough effect that it's proportionate for a player to just say "no"

With some mind reading characters I just say "no". I think that option is important to have

nodnodnod! I'm more okay with the write up and less okay with like describing him for identification, for reference

if that makes sense?

specifying why Trevor did or what Trevor did seems on topic but like, IDing him is where I start getting wobbly

Interesting. from that perspective you could divide it up into four components
1. description of "the inmate's" actions
2. name of the inmate
3. network ID of the inmate
4. appearance of the inmate

I can see the sense that this would certainly be an escalation of the use of the speakeasy ledger. like Walter can certainly see the course of events where turnabout is fair play for him, "hey that guy writing the sporking of the Inmate Bill of Rights is the nutso who attacked Arthur"

that had already been in the back of my mind, but now that it's occurred to me again, I can definitely lean on that in terms of "oh yeah it could be totally IC to reduce any or all the scale of this"

yeah, my like, default is 'absolutely do what Walter would do, whatever floats your boat' but I'm also trying to make sure I don't set myself up for a few encounters that send Max into a corner.

I am going to ping waningsunflower because, if Walter was in the mindset "well, this guy (Vincent??) talking about Trevor's demotion seems to think it would be escalation to say too much about the inmate himself", I think that an interesting alternative choice would be to like split into

current version is "[A] Trevor was the monitor for years that's why people like him so much [B] this is what Trevor did, the guy was Max who did this stuff [C] here is Max's description so you know how to handle encounters with him"

so with the concept that Walter is like [wait wait wait part C is actually gonna escalate stuff a lot. scratch this], I would probably find some way to restructure A, and then convert B into a sheehan comment.

for reference ya'll can say whatever you want about Vincent

like WHATEVER yall want

0 fucks given there : )

ok good because it was also occurring to me that Walter bringing back up the Trial for Sinners would relate to Vincent S to some extent lol...

so thank you for preemptively "yeah that would be whatever" whew it's not like a big oversight haha

nope nope go right ahead.

the only real concern I had was not backing my already incredibly socially terrified character into an unplayable corner

I would still say current draft would probably say "two inmates, one of whom has since graduated, did the Trial for Sinners" just in the context of that perception of escalation and also like. rhetorical emphasis on the role of the Admiral (it would go in the Admiral entry)

I do find it hilarious that Vincent is getting blamed for it when he absolutely did not do that.

but he'd actually prefer that Hanna get less blame ^_^

Walter's current perception of the event is that Vincent S gave Hanna a book "maybe it does something :] (I know it does hell)" and then Hanna put in his magic to physically decode it

Ah, Walter

Hi! I am down for whatever!

Kota: wheeeeeeeeeee

Lol I took a second to catch up, but I am down with anything said about Sheehan.

Good for whatever you need too o\ Trevor is always woefully biased so there’s always his attitude plaguing others but I can tone it down too

nah!

opinions ALL good

really just didn't want him identifiable on sight since he's got enough barriers to new CR

lol Hanna actually borrowed the book he used from Vincent's library after picking it out personally to find something that was magically 'loud' to him. all Vinny did was offer hp his library

link... omg it was borrowed it wasn't even just the one book lol

the sad and hilarious thing is that Hanna kind of looked at the book with the ritual and never borrowed part 2 on "what the ritual is" essentially

it's here. chonky

Varker link so I do not lose it later)

beautiful.

the other thing is back
waningsunflower cannibalherpes yarnzipan
maniette bonus mention for you

He’s so proud and humbled

Sounds good

Vincent wholeheartedly agrees with that write up

if he hadn't felt betrayed by Trevor, he wouldn't be so vehement

God bless. Walter is still never forgiving that extended incident with Pyotr in the past but precisely because he thinks that was demotion worthy he is frustrated with "we did it Patrick! The bad apple has been taken out!" like no

THE BETRAYAL. TRULY WHY DOES TREVOR GOTTA BETRAY

Sheehan said "All you have done, all you ever do, is reinforce that violence is the only way that someone can communicate"
(Which was FTF, but)
And Walter is like. Yes. Take it up with the admiral you enable, buddy

Like nonviolent conflict resolution is all well and good. "An inmate does something extremely violent, and then anyone left unwhole is told to trust that the inmate's permanent warden knows what's best" is not by any stretch of Walter's imagination nonviolent conflict resolution
It's very clearly continued, see Zerxus chiding Vash for concerns about Armand

Alexei re Sheehan: Knows when to back off and how to actually behave like a normal human being.
Walter, for various reasons: Sheehan is not next to normal! <3

The stuff is up on the post now

Those two comments that is.

Max himself being a new arrival at the time, Walter has some understanding of the idea of lenience there (though obviously also a lot of baggage)
But what Sheehan said THEY'RE ALL WORTHY. BECAUSE THE ADMIRAL SAYS SO really playing right into Walter's agenda

He kept some stuff like that out of his Admiral entry because he wanted it to be as indisputable as possible. So thanks doc!!

Quick question but remind me what Trevor did to Vincent? I need to make a cr chart

cannibalherpes: he did nothing to him directly! but he trusted and really liked Trevor and thought he was someone he could be friends with and then Trevor beat an inmate. He's got a lot of trauma wrapped up in watching others be beaten or harmed by those in power 'for everyone's good'

he thought you were one of the good ones and then you used physical violence to 'teach'

it made him think that Trevor's talk against the way things go here isn't about making this place better, it's just about abusing the people Trevor thinks should be hurt, not the ones the Admiral decides on.

and Trevor's insistence about punishment and his attitude about the rights thing just seems to 'prove' that to him.

o\ got it thanks! Thought I’d missed something

nah nah

Walter wouldn't disagree with "Trevor hurts the people he doesn't like and defends the people he does like"! He just also thinks that Arthur has been even more flagrant about the same ("Undoubtedly there'll be someone that says I'm guilty of it myself, I'm sure")

Combined with Arthur actively sounding dismissive of various other changes

Arthur cannot stress how much the bathroom debates are completely unrelated to his "Let's treat inmates with a baseline of decency" campaign

TREVOR COMING IN CLUTCH WITH POCKET SAND

very tempted to have Varker write underneath that this is a perfect example of the Barge, where he, a man with a sentient second mouth on his forehead, is reasonable and rational while surrounded by feral assholes sewing glass into gloves because maybe someone with super powers decides to let go a little. no wonder this place sucks.

If there are assholes with claws and tusks who can gore you at a moment's notice, turnabout is fair play

or, consider drinking in your room and having an eldritch entity feed you what ever you ask for so you never have to leave? this is also an option.

Walter has considered it from time to time tbh. But well the point of life is spending it with the people you love

Varker, having just crashed out because Vash basically said the same thing and everyone he loves is either dead or insane: I hate it here

It fuckin sucks here

opportunity is for people who want chances and believe they won't immediately repeat past mistakes when given the chance.

Trevor, his head poking up: that’s what I am saying!!

Walter does think a lot is riding on spend. Like, you know, spend it not being tortured. And you need it to be people you love, as opposed to people you spent time on the barge with "whee we're such a happy family ^_^ if you disappear or get brutally murdered oh well"

coming from a horror canon and being a survivor, he has weird reactions to different kinds of violence, but the bigger stuff or someone suggesting blowing the entirety of the Barge up(Trevor) would turn him off so quickly given where he just came from.

That’s why it’s a secret, shh. Also he wants to wait until most people are off the boat because mass violence is a lot, ship violence only

But if the barge just keeps going on forever then people will keep getting tortured until they long for death, then receiving actual final death, forever. That's just not right in Walter's eyes though he's chilled out about it since CERTAIN PEOPLE did finally get to "die"

Most of the people still here suffering at this exact moment are people who wouldn't want to be part of such an explosion, like Yelena and evidently Varker

interesting that Trevor wouldnt involve them in the violence of the explosion but if it does enough damage that people would be lost, he would be killing them anyways.

I think Trevor means truly off like fully removed

Walter was here like ok you can't just "graduate" people though and evacuate people that way, that's all just part of the cycle of the big guy fucking with us. it didn't occur to him at the time but Walter would buy that graduations are paced a certain way so the population of the ship is unlikely to actually dwindle and reduce the impact of the explosion

I think Trevor is so absolutely done with the ship that he’d rather just get the wardens and the animals out, let the inmates die as peacefully as he can, and kill the Admiral. They’re all supposed to be dead anyway.

It doesn’t sit right with him but he finds it the best of a host of terrible options when the Admiral won’t let the ones who want to leave and die do that.

It’s not something he’s ever going to like, a lot of people who would suffer are friends of his. But he’s at the point where he just sees this cycle repeating and if he has a chance to stop it, he’ll take it

that was what I was figuring. Varker hates it thanks. make the choice for yourself and not anyone else, Trevor.

o\ juust correcting the natural order, go to your grave in peace

Jon Sims: (from off screen) Your natural order can blow me!

Walter: I used to think the natural order could go fuck itself but then the alternative presented to me was the gradual torture and insanity of everyone I'd ever get to surround myself with for the rest of my life <3

And the thing I did that was so bad is sacrificing someone else's life so my friend could be free so hello???

Jon: ...so this is really about how intergalactic reddit decided you were the Asshole and you won't accept the verdict

Reddit had democracy or at least mobocracy. Admiral is just one demon

Jon: ...that's not a 'no'.

But seriously, it is not solely about "why is my limited repentance for one murder inferior to repentance for like blowing up twenty planets". I would definitely be curious for an opportunity to examine what that would be like

It is about extremely bad things being indirectly but deliberately inflicted on them all the time

AisuYoukai: by the way though. If you want it to be a thing that Joel came into the speakeasy and is like "...who the hell is the inmate dude from this Trevor demotion incident" and Walter managed to say out loud to him one on one sotto voce, I am game. In my head they are cordial acquaintances... I'm sorry to bother if you meant something else though lol

what? lol. what are we talking about? idk. i'm lost.

like this