Levi
1 months ago
[XIV] yayyyy another one of these "what would I change about x character" things this time it's Lyse
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Levi
1 months ago
ok so the big elephant in the room with Lyse is Yda
Levi
1 months ago
The whole turning Yda into a brand new character thing is so fucking weird
Levi
1 months ago
And from I understand there isn't anything like, legacy about Yda that would necessitate more or less creating a brand new character
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Levi
1 months ago
So I'm still ??? why we needed to make Yda into Lyse
Levi
1 months ago
Lyse is a better name tho I'll give it that
Levi
1 months ago
Anyway I have like no real attachment to Yda as a character she is just such a non entity
Levi
1 months ago
Even if your starting city is Gridania she's just kind of. There.
Levi
1 months ago
Thancred (Ul'dah) and Y'shtola (Limsa Lominsa) have stronger introductions as your initial Scion contacts than Yda and Papalymo do
Levi
1 months ago
And she just kind of continues to be a non entity for the rest of ARR even her friendly bickering with Papalymo just kind of have no bite to it
Levi
1 months ago
It's hard to judge ARR stuff because it was very jank and very "we're trying to follow typical MMO conventions" story wise
Levi
1 months ago
but this gives us some room to work with to make the transition from Yda to Lyse easier
Levi
1 months ago
I'd like to make it clearer that she has Ala Mhigan heritage sooner
Levi
1 months ago
Since there's no way you would be able to tell from her character model (since Highlander women just didn't exist yet lmao)
Levi
1 months ago
Just like have her mention she's Ala Mhigan and that she works as a Scion liason to Gridania because of her unique understanding of Gridanians due to the shared albeit tense history between the two
Levi
1 months ago
Like yeah she left Ala Mhigo as a young child but she does feel strongly about her home country
Levi
1 months ago
Maybe mention that Papalymo was her mentor and now they're partners
Levi
1 months ago
I would also like her to be more involved in the Ala Mhigan portions of ARR MSQ
Levi
1 months ago
like she should be there when you're dealing with the Ala Mhigans stuck in Quarrymill with a wounded comrade
Levi
1 months ago
She should be there during the Little Ala Mhigo arc where you first meet Wilred
Levi
1 months ago
of course the reason she's not is because this is writing backwards from Stormblood
Levi
1 months ago
They weren't planning this way back when
Levi
1 months ago
But this is a what if scenario
Levi
1 months ago
But if it were, it would help a lot, she could help with dealing with the initial hostility of the people of Little Ala Mhigo
Levi
1 months ago
And sympathize with Wilred and his crew as they're in the same position as her: young people who've never got to thrive in their homeland and yearn for it
Levi
1 months ago
Help her spark her revolutionary feelings and also maybe try to talk some sense into stupid teenagers trying to make a Rhalgar primal
Levi
1 months ago
Anyway we can kind of just skip Heavensward since she is Miss Not Appearing In This Expansion
Levi
1 months ago
(should she do more during the Banquet? No not really she has much more pressing matters to worry about)
Levi
1 months ago
Anyway one big change for Stormblood I would have made is just. Do not kill Papalymo.
Levi
1 months ago
Like it was such an obvious cast thinning move lmao
Levi
1 months ago
And I think we just never really get to explore Papalymo and Lyse's relationship in the game
Levi
1 months ago
I get the narrative idea is that Lyse has to find her way without Papalymo to guide her but it doesn't really work when we've never seen him guide her to begin with
Levi
1 months ago
And I think Stormblood could have been a good opportunity for that, and it would do wonders for Papalymo as the Most Forgettable A Team Scion
Levi
1 months ago
Maybe Papalymo can die later on in Stormblood but having him die before it sucks
Levi
1 months ago
Anyway I actually mostly really like Ala Mhigo part 1 of Stormblood and I wouldn't change much of it
Levi
1 months ago
That is only a half true I would change a lot but none of that relates to Lyse and isn't the point of this plurk
Levi
1 months ago
I like that Lyse has her lofty ideals of Ala Mhigan liberations smashed
Levi
1 months ago
I like that she has to learn that it's easy to talk about revolution when you're not the one who's had to live under 20 years of cruelty and oppression
Levi
1 months ago
which came after Ala Mhigo was weakened after the mad king's tyranny
Levi
1 months ago
So instead we go to the part that the writers actually cared about Doma
Levi
1 months ago
I think a huge missed opportunity here was having Lyse and Yugiri connect with each other
Levi
1 months ago
Like Lyse, Yugiri is chomping at the bit to spark a rebellion and fight for freedom
Levi
1 months ago
But like Ala Mhigo, Doma is not ready to fight yet
Levi
1 months ago
like Lyse should see that Yugiri is making the same mistakes she did: trying to push too hard too fast
Levi
1 months ago
Asking too much of the people for the moment
Levi
1 months ago
Lyse should be trying to dissuade Yugiri from that stupid ass Zenos Assassination Attempt
Levi
1 months ago
It makes sense for Gosetsu to try, but Lyse should be there too, warning Yugiri that it isn't going to work
Levi
1 months ago
And that what happened to Rhalgar's Reach might happen to the House of the Fierce if she tries
Levi
1 months ago
I still don't like the Stupid Ass Zenos Assassination Attempt but this would make it seem a little less out of character for Yugiri and weave it more naturally into the story and make it seem less "we need another scene where the WoL gets their ass kicked, but slightly less hard this time"
Levi
1 months ago
And Lyse should do what she learned from Ala Ghanna: that you have to win the trust of the people first and show them that fighting back is possible, and that you have to start small
Levi
1 months ago
You just can't jump straight into revolution
Levi
1 months ago
So they help some people out, do some small rescues, some Namai villagers start standing up for themselves, etc. combine that with what we saw in the Ruby Sea and we're now ready to go find Hien
Levi
1 months ago
man there's like nothing for Lyse in the Steppe that's just a Hien story maybe they can bond a little more while sitting in Magnai Jail about yearning for a country they've technically never truly experienced
Levi
1 months ago
We liberate Doma, hooray time to try with Ala Mhigo
Levi
1 months ago
Anyway one thing I want see more of is I want to establish Lyse and Fordola as more direct rivals
Levi
1 months ago
The game tries to do it but it doesn't really succeed
Levi
1 months ago
Fordola still comes off more as an opponent for the WoL
Levi
1 months ago
But the two are natural opposites. Lyse believes in Ala Mhigan freedom and Fordola believes in Ala Mhigan submission
Levi
1 months ago
They should clash more openly
Levi
1 months ago
Fordola should confront Lyse with the fact that she's not a "real" Ala Mhigan and she doesn't understand what the "real" Ala Mhigo was like and what "real" Ala Mhigans did to Fordola and her family
Levi
1 months ago
And that she believes that Imperial rule is better
Levi
1 months ago
They have two differing visions for Ala Mhigo and are fighting over it
Levi
1 months ago
Also for the love of god do not make her the commander of the resistance after Conrad dies
Levi
1 months ago
it's completely nonsensical
Levi
1 months ago
The new leader should be M'naago
Levi
1 months ago
BUT I could buy that Lyse becomes an officer in the resistance
Levi
1 months ago
the command destroyed twice and they need to take who they can get Lyse is probably like legitimately qualified at this point to be an officer
Levi
1 months ago
and this is where Lyse starts seriously thinking about her future
Levi
1 months ago
oh uhhh
Levi
1 months ago
I wish to address The Outfit
Levi
1 months ago
The traditional Ala Mhigan outfit is very nice but I do have one teeny tiny qualm about it
Levi
1 months ago
We have Lyse saying that she needs to step out of her sister's shadow and to be her own person and then...she puts on the outfit, which she says something along the lines of it was her sister's
Levi
1 months ago
That's certainly A Choice
Levi
1 months ago
either keep her in the Liberator outfit (I like it better) or just have it not be Yda's old outfit like come on
Levi
1 months ago
It could just be a symbol of her dedication to Ala Mhigo without the Yda baggage
Levi
1 months ago
and the indication of where her future is: in Ala Mhigo and that her time with the Scions is coming to an end
Levi
1 months ago
Overall I'm pretty fine with everything else
Levi
1 months ago
Lyse is over all an ok character there were just a few weird decisions with her and parts that I think could have used some reinforcement
Levi
1 months ago
I'd find a way to make the Fordola solo duties more focused on Lyse and Fordola fighting, instead of Fordola and the WoL fighting to better reinforce the rivalry they tried to establish between them
Levi
1 months ago
I would also have Lyse acknowledge the wrong that was done to Fordola and be the first step in them reconciling and finding common ground
Levi
1 months ago
"What about Papalymo" well I'm not 100% sure what would happen to him but it should kinda be addressed
Levi
1 months ago
if we still want Papalymo to die, I think an ideal time would be at the same time Conrad die
Levi
1 months ago
We would have been able to fully explore the bond between Papalymo and Lyse at this point and make this the point where Lyse is being forced to move on without him
Levi
1 months ago
Or we could also have him live and Lyse makes that decision on her own believing in her own readiness
Levi
1 months ago
Revolution over, Lyse as proved herself and truly earned a place in Ala Mhigo and she gets promoted to Ala Mhigan Government, unfortunately for her
Levi
1 months ago
Freedom was only half the battle Ala Mhigo now needs to build itself a new government and society
Levi
1 months ago
Royalty didn't work out for them so time to try something new
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