on gov't procedures?

because that would indicate the govt is doing its job

I'm thinking of just one building where you can house the call center agents, divided into different 'accounts' (i.e. passport, NSO, etc).

That will partially solve the issue of unemployment. And will solve congestion in frontline services.

if a crony will make money out of it (i.e. assured a monopoly like 2go), then it will happen

Kasi it can be a quasi-public enterprise. For example, a group of gov't employees, para rumaket, can bid to operate such a call center.

That gives them additional income, and at the same time, creates incentives to refine public service kasi may competition.

*agrees*

marami daw mawawalan ng trabaho pag naging rational ang gobyerno

Ok lang naman yun, sparks. Even gov't employees' unions admit that the bureaucracy is bloated.

When I was still working with the late Sec Boncodin, we computed the cost of rationalizing the whole bureaucracy. And we saw that the cost

can be recoup in the first 3 years of any administration.

you computed the costs of x amount of people suddenly losing their jobs/

?

how can govt recoup a cost it didn't incur? vis-a-vis firing employees that is

x amount separation pay for every year of employment.

yeah, so ok lang yun. doable in 3 years. what do you do with tens of thousands suddenly unemployed

Retraining if they want to go to the private sector. And the other option is for them to group together, create a company, and bid for gov't

services such as this one I'm proposing.

don't worry, a company is already making the moves to monopolize these services

but i worry for those who will be adversely affected by such centralization: those with chaotic documents who are not savvy enough to do..

I generally don't like monopolies, esp if these can be avoided in the provision of public service.

...this by phone. They will definitely be further disenfranchised

what private sector?

dadagdag lang sila sa unemployed

it could work if the govt has finally found a way to make it simple for people in war torn vicinities to reconstruct their identities in a..

eloisa, the first part should be the rectification of all documents, better filing, digitization, etc.

in many developing countries its normal (indeed expected) that the state be a major employer

...cost-effective manner. But this is just an example of one such segment.

A mandatory mass re-registration is therefore necessary to recreate these documents.

caffeinesparks: oo. 2go, i heard. They're making moves na lahat dumaan na sa kanila.

Sparks, that's the old practice. But if we want to offload some things from gov't (and decrease taxes), then gov't must rethink its

processes.

im not saying thats how it should be. im saying thats how it is for a long time to come

until we create industries, not destroy them. until we have a healthy, growing domestic economy

otherwise, we'll have to continue subsidizing useless bureaucrats

mandatory reregistration. Easier said than done. Can you imagine the cost to people who cant even register births or marriage?

many of whom will continue robbing us blind

eloisa, gov't should then go house-to-house to put this into play. There's money naman kasi.

did you know that right now, if the civil registrar made a typographical error on someone's birth certificate, that person would have to...

caffeinesparks, I agree. But national industrialization is also a function of private sector. So gov't should partner with industries.

pay to process the correction? Goodluck if you're in manila and your records are in samar.

and that's for simple corrections

of course. but the state sets a policy. it has had zero industrial policy for as long as i can remember

Yun nga, it can be done. The Civil Registrar can deputize persons in localities to correct these things, go house-to-house.

caffeinesparks, it has an industrial policy, one that is based in import, and services, but no promotion and strengthening of the backbones

like agriculture, manufacturing, etc.

pls to link to a document labeled "philippine industrial policy'

I don't have the link, but I have a printed document. We used it during the discussions on 'Blueprint", UP Pres Nemenzo's project on dev't.

its probably a development plan. but an industrial plan?????

We had an agro-industrial 'plan' if that suffices.

when? in the 70s?

agro-industrial is not industrial

teka. I dont get this point. You will make moves to fire people because the bureacrasy's bloated to hire tens and thousands more?

if govt were 'rational' it can run on probably 500k employees instead of almost 2 million (the UK has a civil service corps of 600K)

eloisa, fire people in places that are really unnecessary. Beef up the areas, esp the front lines, where people are needed.

it would be great if govt could let go of all the excess baggage, but it wont because they'll swell unemployment numbers

caffeinesparks, the prereq there is for gov't to rationalize itself, and answer the question: What are the areas where it should be

involved, and where are the areas that it can give to the private sector?

providing bureaucrats would be willing to shoot themselves in the foot, then i believe they'll answer this question!

Real bureaucrats will understand the question, and give a rational answer. Those claiming to be bureaucrats won't.

well... I deal with low level bureaucrats everyday. The ones who do the actual work. Doing away with them first is counter productive.

committe and department heads on the other hand...

SJ... that sounds... interesting