Miguel says
17 years ago
, the RH bill is a recipe for suicide, and must be avoided at all cost. (angry)
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martin. says
17 years ago
Nope. I'm afraid that I have to disagree. :-)
martin. says
17 years ago
It gives the people the freedom to choose, away from the limits of conservative institutions, particularly the Roman Catholic Church.
martin. says
17 years ago
By the way, I'd be glad to show you an article of mine from the previous issue of Ang Pahayagang Plaridel.
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martin. says
17 years ago
We delved into the issue intrinsically, so basically, I'm aware of its elements.
martin. says
17 years ago
Sorry, but I just have to defend my stand. :-)
Miguel says
17 years ago
no prob... i like discussing stuffs like these. ;-) lemme see that article
martin. says
17 years ago
h1.ripway.com/narakun/RH... 07 - For placing.doc there ye go! ;D
martin. says
17 years ago
oh wait, try this one instead. :-D h1.ripway.com/narakun/RH...
Miguel will
17 years ago
read it point-by-point. I assure you. ;-)
martin. says
17 years ago
yeah. it's discussed in quite a balanced manner anyway. we presented the two sides of the topic. or rather, the practicalities. :-P
Miguel says
17 years ago
btw, I quoted that statement on a relatively recent blogpost by Francisco S. Tatad.
Miguel says
17 years ago
if you want to read it here it is :-)) h1.ripway.com/mjcv50/PRO...
Miguel says
17 years ago
It says that the bill must be rejected for the following specific reasons:
Miguel says
17 years ago
1. It does not have sufficient moral basis; 2. It is contrary to the letter and spirit of the Constitution;
Miguel says
17 years ago
3. It is unnecessary; 4. It is technically defective.
martin. says
17 years ago
haha. which is why I reject the bill in the first premise alone. morality is meant to be subjective. yet the Church institutionalizes it.
martin. says
17 years ago
unnecessary? go to Tondo, my friend. talk to the hundreds of single mothers there who harbors 10 kids.
martin. says
17 years ago
deviating from the Constitution's spirit? But the bill is made to uphold the people's welfare. More choices for the people to choose.
Miguel says
17 years ago
not only does the Church try to institutionalize it, the Church teaches that morality is not subjective nor relative. They have good reasons
martin. says
17 years ago
and the bill is not encouraging or making abortion mandatory. it, in fact, deems abortion taboo, in a sense.
☼Pepe☼ says
17 years ago
1. Laws do not need sufficient moral basis. So long as it is NOT immoral, it can be legal
Miguel says
17 years ago
but talk to the parents who practice heroic abstinence and heroic parenthood 'joyfully'. They are better witnesses.
☼Pepe☼ says
17 years ago
For example, it is perfectly legal to not pay debts; Although it does not have any moral basis (as the logically moral thing to do would be
☼Pepe☼ says
17 years ago
to pay these debts). neither is it immoral
☼Pepe☼ says
17 years ago
2. The spirit of the constitution specifically says to "protect the lives of the mother and the unborn child"
☼Pepe☼ says
17 years ago
BUT it does not specify unconceived children; Therefore meaning it would be acceptable under the constitution to prevent someone from
☼Pepe☼ says
17 years ago
gettingpregnant IN THE FIRST PLACE (though once she's pregant , you are not allowed to harm the baby o_O)
☼Pepe☼ says
17 years ago
3. True, it is unnecessary, but it GREATLY improves living conditions by potentially reducing the amount of dependents in a household
☼Pepe☼ says
17 years ago
4. Agreed. Despite these methods, there would still be a chance to pregnancy (LOL)
martin. says
17 years ago
miklos: Heroic abstinence? NOT ALL people practice that. Go to Tondo, my friend. Just a helpful advice.
☼Pepe☼ says
17 years ago
Now, in the current status quo, we have two choices to decrease the population crisis
martin. says
17 years ago
And I urge you to assess the realities that might befall you there.
☼Pepe☼ says
17 years ago
1. Teach all these people "heroic abstinence" and attempt to convince them to follow it
☼Pepe☼ says
17 years ago
2. The RH bill o_O
Miguel says
17 years ago
i don't consider myself a credible person in terms of the constitution but Tatad is. Read Part 2 of his article.
☼Pepe☼ says
17 years ago
Of course, you could go with number 1... But that would take a very, very long time =p
Miguel says
17 years ago
most my knowledge of these premises are only based on that.
martin. says
17 years ago
Haha. Then I urge you to widen your horizons before constructing your conclusion.
martin. says
17 years ago
;-)
Miguel says
17 years ago
that's why i'm reading your article :-))
martin. says
17 years ago
:-D
Miguel says
17 years ago
pepe, there's a 3rd choice: do nothing (LOL)
Miguel says
17 years ago
but there aren't many good news about the RH bill's counterparts in other countries
Miguel says
17 years ago
heroic abstinence is the best choice
☼Pepe☼ asks
17 years ago
when has "doing nothing" ever gotten us anywhere? :-(
Miguel says
17 years ago
well, we can never do nothing bec by doing nothing we're doing something
☼Pepe☼ says
17 years ago
But...but... You're the one who said the 3rd choice was "do nothing"? (LOL)
Miguel says
17 years ago
haha I was joking, half meaning it. There is the existence of a third choice, right?
☼Pepe☼
17 years ago
I... wouldn't really know :-D
Miguel says
17 years ago
argh
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