say i would be late, then finally got in to work at 10:30. it's one of those days...

You need to find a way to sleep through the night.

but to reward myself, i did stop and get a turkey and bacon sammich and coffee

yay rewards for sleeplessness!

i do, but all the docs say 'try ambien'. i did and i don't like it at all. but given that i'm burning thru my vacation time, maybe i should

give it another go

don't try to kill me in the middle of the night and then just turn it into a story for your new apartment neighbors!

if you don't want your ambien, I'll take it

lol! you would make much better use of it. thing is, i don't have any more cuz i tried a sample, then threw the rest out.

i didn't know of its other uses!

what's your bed time? i'll send sleepyvibes.

really, i could geek out about sleep pretty much endlessly if you let me.

thanks steff! during the week i have to go to sleep around (gulp) 9:30 PM. ugh, working life.

and then you wake back up about 4 hours later? how much sleep do you traditionally need?

yes, exactly! it's almost always 4 hours later. well... i say i need at least 7 hours, but i don't really know. some days i'm fine with 5,

other days, i feel like i need 8 or 9. who can say when i have no such thing as a regular pattern. i blame graduate school , but i blame

that for pretty much everything

you may be adjusting the amount of sleep you need, but since you're still exhausted later you might need to play with that.

but seven sounds normal and healthy, so if that's what you're used to...

<---not a doctor, just a geek.

assumes you're practicing all the regular, boring "sleep hygeine" tricks?

geeks are often much more fun that medical docs. yeah, i actually have a sleep doctor, but what exactly is their training? i can't seem

to find much info on that. i can stand around and make crap up all day, but it doesn't mean it helps anyone. i do practice (often) the

proper sleep rules, but no joy. ugh, maybe i could talk to my sleep doc again... oh well, could be worse.

try cutting out caffeine even earlier in the day (my least favorite) and also try a tweak when you wake up instead of a staying asleep one:

within a minute or two after you get up in the morning, expose your eyes to VERY BRIGHT light for about 30 seconds.

do that for a few days and it will help reset your sleep patterns, especially in winter.

it wont' be immediate and it might not help you sleep, but it WILL help you feel more alert even if you havent' gotten enough.

i know it sounds crack-pottish. but it helps, it rly does.

gravol

the side effect of not being nauseous is being sleepy

or Che's melatonin

thanks, steff! i will add that to the treatment mixture

shelley, i tried melatonin but it only works some of the time for me. no idea why it's not more effective... anyway, i need to have a

comprehensive response, so maybe i'll just take a mess of pills at night and bright light every morning, and less caffeinne

thanks, all!

Mojo has restless legs. I can try tying his legs together

hmmm, that would probably keep me up, though, for... other reasons