ask Edna.

presumes she will fly . . . unless you ask Edna, who will recommend a swim.

Edna had a *true* grasp on here situation once the "Angel" was murdered. I'm glad she didn't swim cause in all actuality she did 'fly'

isn't buying the romanticization of her act at all.

we've had this discussion before, haven't we?

we did.

trying to edit my words to try and get you to come to the light.

like Edna did??

'the light' as in my way of seeing things!!!!!! FB, how could you insinuate such a thing? (mouth a gape)

still thinking about Edna & her final solution from her *true* grasp of the situation is all . . .

reminds you that you are not a woman in the 17th-18th century.

reminds you that you are not 'woman' period

thought E

thought Edna was lat 19th? Which doesn't answer your essentialist argument, I realize

off on my dates.. its been like that with everything all damned day.

I thought today was Tuesday, for example.

understands your affinity for 17-18th century. You were probably thinking of Edna as British, too!

wasn't, actually. I hated that god-awful story; therefore knowing it was written by an American author.

heh

humph. I really like the novella . . . right up to the end, when Edna folds

perserveres..

as well you should!

wait- Edna does not persevere!

SHOUTS! DA-TA-DUH-DAAAAA!!!!

doesn't give you this one (grumble)

the grumble solidifies it

if I should throw my glove into the ring...

would love to hear your take on Edna

that Edna killed herself *after* killing the Angel in the House. The two acts weren't together.

wrote about Edna in my thesis.

it was the only thing Edna could do.

disagrees *because* Edna had at least one role model for how to live as an independent woman & artist. If the character

of her aunt weren't in the book, I'd buy the suicide as the social critique

knows he's a voice in the wilderness on this one … <sigh>

you are, again, wrong. Her role model didn't have children if I remember correctly. So, she didn't have to abandon her children

like Edna would have *had* to have done.

, plus the lady wasn't married either.. she was just her own being. If Edna had left her husband, I'm sure he would have searched and found

her where ever she was. Plus, it would have been an easy feat cause Edna would have had a hard time earning a living.

she had already left her children, if not "ofishully" she was at least an absentee mom, & the hubby is startling patient w/her.

the liberated-lady?

hasn't read it in forever, but doesn't remember any textual evidence to believe the husband would or would not let her go.

he loved her and was confused by her behavior.. right?

sure, but most husbands are

if I'm going to keep arguing this with y'all I'll need to reread the text, but my recollection is

that Chopin didn't let E. become the independent woman she *was becoming*, and didn't box her in enough to make me believe that her suicide

inevitable.

refraining.

that's very unlike you.

YES, but that woman was a spinster who had never been married and had no kids.

reminds FB that it was Edna's epiphany while watching the spinster that was the turning point...

adds even tho some think it was the rejection of a man. Pshaw.

understands that her situation was different from the aunt's, but also recalls that she had no real trouble leaving them in others' care

I shall send you my chapter on this and see what kind of argument we can undertake.

about to officially surrender the point, as I haven't read it in literally years, but I will read your chapter

that's my point. She would be living in shame having abandoned her husband and kids. That's a different way to live than someone who

never had that at all.

concedes