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I am not capable of taking anything connected to medieval theology less than seriously B|

i'd almost want to say 'pride', actually

/SAT HERE THINKING FOR HALF AN HOUR

and LOL, yeah, that is what I settled on, too!

awesome XD

because in the actual Dantean sense, Ginko checks out pretty well.

DANTE

oh?

/loooooove dante

He'd be all chilling with Virgil and the Greek dudes.

and guiding people through Hell.

haha

lmao

if you asked Dante.

actually I put him up as a good candidate for Purgatory.

he has made some good headway on the cardinal virtues.

BUT

I dunno, do you think he thinks of repenting for things?

PRIDE.... is technically the father of the seven sins

I could see him in dante's limbo

because it is the sin from which all other sins come, according to this theological tradition

o rly

because it's the belief that you yourself are more valuable or know better than God

and we manifest that belief in subtle ways

so I'd say, if you look at all the times in canon that Ginko is WRONG

sure, he's trying to do the right thing, but it's too tied to his own idea of what that means.

yes, exactly

you said i much better than i was trying to

lol

esp in the case of the mushishi who gives up his life for the mountain's stability, or the twin uro-makers

LOLOL

or the God-girl

plus, I think there is a tiny bit of pride in the sense that he wants to SAVE them. HE wants to save them.

because that is his job, and by extension the validation of his identity.

although....... dude learns from this pretty damn fast.

Which is why he'd be on that mountain that no one reads about in school because apparently only Hell is interesting 8|

................./wants to pick his circle of Purgatory now 8|a

pfft

it's been too long since i read the book, i can't help

/......may or may not have three translations XDa

LOL

I REALLY love medieval lit.

hey hey

we read purgatorio twice actually

once my freshman year and then i took a dante class junior year

/sob/ now i want to figure out if i still have a copy of it

and i really should be studying...

REALLY Vil?

yes!

because THAT is awesome

I love dante. was serious.

it was the best class of my college life

I wish more people read it ;;

we did the whole trilogy and the vita nuova

wow

omg it was practically a transcendent class, that's how good it was

I actually took three classes that covered Dante-- AND the vita nuova! That is so cool!

sometimes we talked for the whole hour and ten about three lines and what their implications were

GAH Dante ;; there is so much wisdom about human nature in there, if the teacher knows how to get past the "oh it's Hell" stuff

we argued about whether or not we thought virgil could stay in purgatory

it is more about reformation of the Church than any kind of theology of the afterlife. It's about HOW to live, not where-you-go-after

best professor ever

sadly, i can't remember exactly how my class handled it... .but i think it was a good class

he's a great person too actually

we covered the Epic of Gilgamesh, too

we never did gilgamesh

it

's pretty cool, if you can find a copy of it

kat how have i never geeked about dante with you before

dude I do not even know. This is the stuff I studied in England for. This is like my lifeblood, man.

/WANTS TO WRITE ABOUT THIS NOW

...ooh, i've got exerpts from the Qur'an in here. Why have i never read those

had a class where we read the qur'an too

hnn, i seem to have excerpts from both the Purgatorio and the Paradiso here, but not the whole thing

ahhhhh Gilgamesh is great. so is the Illiad. I had a prof who made the argument that Achilles is one of the first lit. examples of

boo

man trying to achieve redemption through penance, and ultimately failing

eh. we did the iliad freshman year of college and it was okay, the prof didn't make it amazing

yeah, I didn't like the Iliad until my prof at Wheaton lectured on it

he just.... lit it up, in ways I'd never thought to think about

he also had a really interesting reason why VIRGIL is an unreliable narrator at some points, too

which we should discuss 8] because it is awesome

aaah, now i have the urge to compare Dante's description of Hell with Garth Nix's description of Death (in his Abhorsen series)

the first circle/before the first gate is certainly similar enough

i mean Limbo/before the first gate

oh yes?

it's a series where necromancers are real and numerous, so one person exists to put the dead back to rest

called the Abhorsen

they're the only person who can both use the bells of a necromancer and the magic of the Charter

which is the same thing as life, and naturally abhorrent to someone who works half in death

it's a good series :3

it is a good series!

ooooh, I think I've heard of it 8|a

you don't get a description of death all the way to the 9th gate until the last book, but you get up to the, uh..... i wanna say 4th or 5th

in the first book

yeah, the Fourth Gate, just before the Fifth Precinct

...hmm, i think there are elements from Dante, but they're not really the same at all

lol