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what in the FUCK???
For real?!
this can't be real
Gidge: i was hoping you'd read that. it seems more than real. what a fucking sicko.
First of all, omg i did not need to see that and second of all.........
I can't believe thats true
that's just so fucking sick...
it's true. i'm sick . see you guys later.
i can't believe it was state backed and sponsored. and that it's still in operation using the same torture techniques.
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Well... Parents do / should have a choice on where to send their kids. The free market should take care of this...
I guess as a parent of special needs children you are well versed in how the special education processes works, Val.
Oh wait, no thats me.
Seriously man, don't throw fucking free market blather out when it comes to special educations issues. There is nothing fucking free market
about it my friend.
So until the day when you have children of your own who lack the ability to communicate with you, to tell you if someone has hurt them
to tell you if they are scared, to tell you ANYTHING
not to mention "free market" is a fucking joke. go tell that to the victims in Bhopal, free market worked fine for them, right?
until that day, really, you don't get an opinion. To anything. Because special education is a fucking nightmare.
and you will never comprehend what is involved until you walk this path without any other options.
Wel said Gidge!
the people giving the shock treatment need to be held and shocked until they are unresponsive.
I just can't comprehend how a person can do that and think they're doing something that's okay. Or sleep at night after doing it.
WTF sick too 
What Gidge said.
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I have a dear friend and a neighbor who both have taught special needs children their entire careers. Both favor vouchers,
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so parents would have a choice on which special needs programs/schools they send their children to.
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You're right... when the government controls education, there is little incentive to improve.
i saw that this morning and it disgusted me to no end...also what gidge said is definitely true
This sort of "education" has been going on for decades for special needs kids.
VWestland: This isn't about your free market fetish. This is about children being tortured, and pressuring the school to stop it.
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What if there was REAL choice in education? It wouldn't be an issue. The school would close because people would choose better!
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Just like (smart) people choose to leave abusive relationships.
Not if smug assholes keep waving their hands and changing the topic when people raise awareness of what's going on.
... This isn't a public school.
Also, please go jump off a cliff into a pit of angry sharks with the clap, Wasteland.
don't know what all the anti-free-market sentiment is about. Petitioning to get rid of the teachers and policies and suing all the
parties involved is the essence of the free market in action.
where's that trollface gif when I need it?
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yeah that's the one. 
Happy to help.
I read the joke of a sentence that moron got, give me a break! They coddle criminals and the kids are still suffering!
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I just love the tolerance and willingness to explore multiple solutions and perspectives, demonstrated by the enlightened people here.
VWestland: You have not expressed a single shred of sympathy or desire to stop it, only used this atrocity to trumpet your ideology.
I'm sorry, there was a solution besides "LET ME STROKE MYSELF OFF WITH THE FREE MARKET" again? No? Oh ok.
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I have suggested there are ways to improve choice and thus disenfranchise the offending educational institution. Are you suggesting I must
You consistently display naivete and unwillingness to consider other people's viewpoints, so don't start lecturing us about tolerance.
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press myself a certain way for it to be "acceptable?"
Yes, you should perform interpretative dance. And then jump off a cliff into a pit of sharks. Hope that helps.
as for "legal" well the free market once decided to go ahead and let psychiatrists do this sort of thing, after they explained
that it worked so well to calm down pigs on their way to the slaughterhouse.
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Have I ONCE (1) defended the perpetrators of these actions?
Not to mention this is a fucking private institution, from what I can tell.
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Once again... it seems like certain people MUST have everyone in lock step with their opinions AND way of expressing themselves to
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be justified...
plays the world's tiniest violin for the poor, persecuted Valiant
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LOL... not persecuted in the least. Just pointing out the viscous, intolerant attitudes of certain people...
"Viscous"?
You come into other people's plurks, make asshole comments that you know will be controversial, then act all shocked when people are upset.
You know, it's funny, but I'm plenty tolerant to libertarians who aren't victim-blaming pus-sacks. Like you. Go fuck a lawnmower.
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Vicious LOL
Anyways.
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Gotta luv spell check...
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"Other people's Plurks..." Didn't notice it as a Private or Clique Plurk....
Your problem is not that you have different viewpoints. It's that you are arrogant, willfully blind, and deliberately provocative.
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Public forum or only a forum where politically correct or appropriate speech is permitted... hmmm
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It doesn't seem like I'm the one with the problem jjacek
God, you're so good at trolling. I don't think I stand a chance against this master. 
I shouldn't laugh but it is fun to see more and more gyrations trying to defend the original indefensible idea that
No, actually, if you're the common thread through all these brouhahas? Yes, you are the one with the problem.
"no, we shouldn't worry about this, the free market will solve all crimes."
Seriously, jjacek. Of course, I'm not sure he's trolling, I think he really is this reprehensible and sociopathically vile.
But, you know, he can troll moar.
Or move to Somalia if he's serious.
I should cover myself in shit, then walk around in the grocery store. "Why are you all so upset? Seems you are the ones with the problem!"
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Another fascinating example of Liberal Fascism and deflective comparative hyperbole in action.
lol
If it's fascist to expect people to behave themselves with a shred of human decency or dignity, I guess I should go shopping for jackboots!
Good job with your own "deflective comparative hyperbole" there, by the way. 
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jjacek , If you read for comprehension, you would realize I NEVER condoned or expressed approval for the actions identified.
and in the same sentence as "liberal fascism". If this wasn't taking all focus from the actual issue, I'd be impressed.
And if you read for comprehension, you would realize I never said or implied that you did. 
I am speechless at a school anywhere in the world being allowed to do this. Its barbaric. Forget the politics, this is a humanity issue.
Giddyfan: Basically. It's barbarism. We expect compliance from kids no matter what and are willing to do anything to extract it.
i lolsnorted my drink all over my screen when i read liberal fascism.
fascism is typical collusion between the state and corporations, as a free market drone, you should be familiar with that notion.
Also, I take great offense at being called a liberal.
Great offense.
me too, since liberal means... free market advocate.
i am a leftist maybe, thank you. but fascism is a right wing thing. they prone less state intervention into the market. sounds familiar?
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i wish i could say im suprised, but given the reports we get weekly in my job of organisations that are suposed to be caring for people with
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disabilities abusing them.... im not
also, no matter what your or my political opinion is, i find it extremely crass low to bring your agenda in that debate.
shows an extreme lack of human sensitivity, care, or even understanding of the human condition.
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It's what I believe is one of the solutions Codie... I never said I was unsympathetic to the issue...
i has nothing to do with the subject!! this is a private institution. it's STILL not closed after proofs of torture.
so there it goes for your free market argument. and there's tolerance of physical or cultural differences, and tolerance of anti-social
behaviour and opinions. call me a fascist if you want.
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And Codie... you know PERSONALLY I am care about individuals who are suffering...
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*...I care about...
then maybe you should have abstained of dropping such unrelated bomb in a plurk about handicapped kids being fucking tortured.
sometimes, all things are not appropriate to say in all places. tho i disagree but respect your opinion, this was really not the place.
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And if the first comment after mine had been a question like "so are you condoning the behavior" or "do you think that's really the answer"
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rather than personal attacks... perhaps this thread would look entirely different and remained more of an expression of concern for those
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If it were up to Valiant I'm sure he'd just send all the fat kids and gay kids to this school to have it shocked out of them
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injured by these actions, rather than what it became...
Suddenly I feel Stephen Colbert trying to talk through me... allow me to channel...
VWestland: Pardon me, but you did not express any concern. You blamed the parents and used this as an opportunity to push your agenda.
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I DID NOT blame the parents.
umm
"Well... Parents do / should have a choice on where to send their kids. The free market should take care of this..."
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Just because you express an opinion about how to prevent a situation that happens to be part of a political platform, doesn't
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render it invalid.
and then you blamed people in abusive relationships for the abuse too, on a sidenote.
i'm honestly surprised he didn't start in on how we should be breeding out the handicapped kids by choosing better partners.
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Yeah I loved the abusive relationship comment where he said (smart) people leave them
^ Meaning the parents should have sent their kids to the school. It's the parent's fault the school is not closed down already.
*should not
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I love his judgment as though he knows what it's like to be in that situation
VWestland: You could have started with "Wow, this is appalling! I hope all the parents remove their kids are removed from this place."
I hope all the parents remove their kids are removed from this place."
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I agree with that jjack!
Too bad that's not what you said, then.
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It is... but everything you have attributed to me in this thread is NOT what I meant... I think that's too bad too!
but you DO mean it's the parents fault the school is there, and that it's the fault of the abused that they get abused?
No, it's not what you said. You did not express any concern, sympathy, or condemnation of the school until 2+ hours after your first comment
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mutes the plurk
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NO Pho... I do NOT blame abused people for the abuse.
You just think they're stupid. We got it already.
ok, I'll just go back to responding with this then 
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YES Pho, I DO think parents should have options on where to have their children schooled and NOT tolerate school abuse!
PhotosNikolaidis: That seems to get the point through to him just as much (or little) as rational argument, so go for it.
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Valiant... how the hell do parents even KNOW.. you forget a lot of these kids cant even speak
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not to mention there often ISNT a hell of a lot of choice... ok now im really going cos this is fucked up
what a load of bollacks there simply is not enough demand for special needs schools to support a competsative market.
what i don't get is why there are so MANY people in this field (working with special needs kids) who obviously dislike the work and the kids
and even those that work with special needs adults and abuse them... these people went to school to do this job and then they do this stuff?
even locally, my friend's autistic son is not getting the care he needs because his teacher has decided if you're autistic you should just
colour all day and not learn anything, where before she moved to that school district, she had teachers actually motivating him in reading
and math
and where we live, there's not school choices. you can't just move your kid to a new school if you dislike the one you have because there's
one elementary for your area, one intermediate and one highschool that covers 4 areas,
and they are actually shutting down the rehabilitative program set up for severely handicapped people, due to lack of funding
this makes my stomach hurt...my heart hurt...my everything hurt
blinks. Well, I guess we've mostly stayed on topic while I've been working.
lol never plurk something like this and then leave for work
nimil: It is odd that so many who don't seem to enjoy work with disabled children choose the work. It's not like one gets rich from it.
exactly, that's something that really troubles me.. if they don't enjoy that job why on earth did they go to school and invest time
and behavior like this wouldn't come from someone who truly wanted to help the children.
and their money to become a teacher, or care taker
may not be the whole answer but I would suppose that many people enter the field as idealists and only later become frustrated and cynical.
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This is the special education free market system
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and it's very profitable
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and dollars are taken from public education to support torture -
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MoJo asks why the leg cannot shut it down perhaps this will help 
CajsaLilliehook: sadly that answers my initial question.