...welp
good to know our video games are still being made by men
who don't know a fucking thing about making a game real or edgy without tossing in rape
that's just great
What the hell/
wait WHAT
oh and it gets better... this guy here says it is nbd
because other characters get raped in stories all teh time
....
yeah, cause that makes it okay
...god fucking dammit I can't believe I glossed over that scene in the trailer
What the fuck.
fuck i hate humanity sometimes
Oh my fucking god it's the same shit as Metroid Other M only worse
I have no words except fuck them, fuck Tomb Raider, and fuck the morons that thought this was totally a fitting choice/appropriate.
Ugghh. Of course.
what. the. fuck.
i really hope there is a backlash
I'm surprised it's not happened before with the series. Female protagonist and all.
because holy shit how did they not think this through
......................................................
"What can we do with a girl protag... what's nice and angsty... oh, I know! : D"
i really, really hate that rape has become such a... well, cop-out
I know video games are edgier and cross the line between fiction and reality a lot (like with violence and whatnot)
how can we make this series more gritty? oh right, we haven't tried raping her yet, that'll be a great avenue to explore
but that is too far
srsly
How could someone even think that people would enjoy playing trying to escape rape? How could that possibly seem at all good?
good Lord, I'm just imagining a girl playing this game with no knowledge that that's supposed to happen
and then she gets triggered
Terrible fucking idea.
I remember reading something once, where it talked about how men in the entertainment industry have trouble thinking of ways to put women
this is why i think this needs to spread, and spread far
seriously
in danger in a story, since they are apparently silly and can't relate to women?
because oh my god i wouldn't want to play that and i've never been in a situation like that
I really hope this gets backlash
i don't even want to imagine what it would be like to someone who's been raped
I can only imagine it'd be fucking terrifying to play that
so they think of women in the one way they know them well: via sex. "Oh boy, we know women have sex! So how do we add drama...
and at the end of the day, that's what video games are, just play
rape is not
Oh, threaten them via sex!"
something like that.
I wish I still had the article link, it was interesting to read.
I've read various articles like that
![Tomb Raider [NA] Crossroads Debut Gameplay Trailer](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/JkBZ6kKeoTI/0.jpg){kind=small}
Tomb Raider [NA] Crossroads Debut Gameplay Trailer here you go, the hideous trailer
where everything tomb raider about it is literally just sucked out
and turned into a I Spit on Your Grave dance, only attempted rape instead of rape.
Which, if you fail the quicktime event, I can only imagine ends in rape? I don't know what the fuck they plan
ugh
this is such a horrible idea
i'm trying to figure out why their lawyers didn't stop this
I'd wager a guess that they didn't see anything wrong with it because of rape culture
...okay, good point
nonononono
it's a ~reboot prequel~
they wanted it to be ~grittier~
you can be gritty without breaking your characters, jeez
just... cut out the sex scene, and you'll be gritty enough
Might be because I'm a awful male, but, as it doesn't actually happen to her, I have a hard time seeing what is wrong?
she's already seen two of her friends die and she's covered in blood
Pancake_Ninja: i'm almost less concerned about her, and more concerned about the fact that this is a surprise
like... if some unsuspecting rape victim comes across this by playing it
and more importantly, i don't see why they need to include it at all, like i was just saying
it's needless, honestly... in the course of the story, i see no reason why the main character needs to get away from being raped
if she's already tied up and fighting for her life
I'm just... I just wanted to have a strong female lead who isn't tortured and nearly raped and etc. to be strong
It's a horrifying thing being trivialized for a plot device. At least, that's how I see it
That's all fair and good, but it's not like they were advertising this game to be pleasant, the first gameplay they ever showed-
other than men going 'oh gee, this will really break her down, if she's threatened by a penis!'
they're like... implying this makes her 'the tough lady she is'
because she can't be tough without going through some Shit
unlike... all the other stuff they're putting her through
Ti'Zo
was
her falling from two stories and getting impaled by a bone fragment. They haven't exactly pulled their punches.
nope, murdering a guy isn't bad enough! he has to be raping her, too
she doesn't have to see her friends being killed, it has to be implied that they've been raped too!
nd on top of that, there's the implication that this is the worst thing that could ever threaten a woman
Pancake_Ninja: I want to keep in mind, I don't like MOST of what the trailer offers.
I was not pleased with reboot
it's like they turned tomb raider into hostel
or into Saw
it's like locking james bond in a room and telling him he has to tear out his teeth to live
It's not only that, but so many women have had almost or actual rape experiences, and this turns it into a game. Something someone has
to go through to be strong, and no. That's just... NO.
It's just. There's no reason for THIS to be near this franchise.
especially whne in the real world, real rape victims usually feel anything but strong
No reason to make it gritty and ~real~
Yes, that. It should not be a ~gameplay challenge~.
IF THIS REALLY IS A QUICK-TIME, THINK ABOUT IT
WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU FAIL QUICKTIME?
and if this is some kind of twisted way to show 'look, rape victims can be strong too!' this is... not the right way to go about it
at all
because nothing is funner than accidentally causing your strong protag to get raped by missing a quicktime event
amirite
oh, totally
I seriously hope they don't really let you fail it
a;kjdsff
I know it's not much, but please god
i really hope that there's at least a fade-to-black, good god
Even that wouldn't help much. Because then imagination takes over. And for someone who has experienced it, that could be so much worse.
okay good point
Ugh.
Ugh.
I can't believe this got approved at all
I like how some of the comments on the youtube think it's sexy
this is why this shit isn't helpful
there's rape fantasy, and then there's this...
i just. Ew, ew, ew
i don't blame you at all, man
lol. I'm shaking. I haven't been this worked up in forever. I... think I'm gonna mute and back away now, my apologies.
it's fine, Jackie
i don't mind if everyone wants to mute it, i understand perfectly
Yeah this is just. How did this not get vetoed at any point?
Probably because of Game of Thrones, Girl with the Dragon Tattoo, etc etc.
i think Kevin is right
about the rape culture thing
They think it's safe since those mediums had them as well
and yeah, there has been more rape in the media lately
clearly because Game of Thrones has it, that makes it just fine and dandy
ignoring the fact that GRRM's sex scenes are kinda gross overall >_>
I'm familiar with Girl with the Dragon Tattoo--watched the movie, etc, and it just squicks me so bad that the guy who wrote it
had to write it because he witnessed a rape and didn't do anything about it
so he wrote it out of guilt
okay, i can believe that
and yeah, it's... terrible
Lisabeth is an interesting character but she is NOTHING like Lara Croft
She's clearly traumatized and fucked up
not to say you have to be forever despondent and broken and etc., but you can't just
pull that "i was tortured, nearly raped, stranded, killing people"
and just be like "NO IT'S OKAY! She gets better!"
"she'll be a strong explorer now!"
yeah, this just makes the beginning of the other Tomb Raider game totally unbelievable now
why would she go anywhere alone with a man after that shit
i sure as hell wouldn't
orz it's a ~reboot~
I guess that means the other lara is moot now
oh, right
welp
Basically they're ruining one of the few videogame heroines I wanted to be as a child
ugh, why are all the reboots sexualizing and demeaning women
They love doing that.
i mean, the DC reboot got better... eventually... but oh my god the first episodes of every single comic i looked at
had nothing but tits and ass and sex
LOL ngl they sexualized her before--she's always had really weird surreal tits and stuff
which just
makes this more gross
it's the same people who did that
well, that's kind of... i mean, they were expecting only guys to play it, and i guess they felt they had to give them t&a for playing a
now turning her into a punching bag for dudes to try and feel her up (which they do)
girl character
yeah! despite the t&a she was strong and witty and smart
ngl, i loved making her crawl around on the floor b/c her butt did such interesting things
that's all we need!
we don't need all this 'WHAT DOESN'T RAPE YA MAKES YA STRONGER" stuff
but yeah, this rape shit is totally unnecessary
Women Running from Men: The Game 
Featuring: Other Women Who Don't Make It
ugh