^ just read all of that. there are pictures.

Millennials are the most stressed generation, survey finds

"Overall, millennials defined by coordinators as anyone between the ages of 18 to 33 reported that they had a stress level of 5.4 out of 10. ... a stress level of 3.6 to be healthy."

"millennials might feel stressed overall because their unemployment rate is 13.1 percent, compared to the overall nationwide average of 7.8 percent. "

Why are so many millennials depressed? A therapist points the fin...

"In 2000, psychologist Jeffrey Arnett coined the term “emerging adulthood” to describe the extended adolescence that delays adulthood. People in their 20s no longer view themselves as adults. ...

There are various plausible reasons for this, including longer life spans, helicopter parenting and fewer high-paying jobs that allow new college grads to be financially independent at a young age."

I'm kinda "ehh" at that first article for a multitude of reasons.

Interesting, will have to read these all thoroughly when I reach a computer.

JulyFlame: How so/Why for?

It pretty much squashes the whole problem Gen Y is happening as "stop thinking you're so special" along with the tasteless "GYPSY" stamp.

^ yeah mte

I have major issues with it too

there's very very few solid references

ROFL well yeah, Tim Urban aims for comedy and simplifies a lot of his writing for HuffPost because word limits etc.

they also mention that baby boomers' generation had economic growth to grant them job success, but don't include the massive recession we're in now and how, frankly, most Gen Y people I know are hugely

I think it's a very good description of a very real problem Gen Y is facng.

disillusioned and pessimistic about their career prospects

this entitlement complex may have been true in the 90's, but right now, I think it's the exact opposite of reality

I think that there are a number of other problems (which the other articles touch on but don't really elaborate on either) that also contribute.

Us and Gen X are having the same problem where the boomers aren't getting out so none of us can really advance and/or get careers.

that too haha they can't afford to retire because there's no financial security for them to

chirality: I disagree, tbh. I think people still feel entitled to things like jobs that can support them, etc. The question is how much of that entitlement is completely reasonable vs how much is not.

there's definitely some entitlement! and I've seen it. but I think the bubble has been burst by now for the most part

On top of having the largest debt as far as college goes. Boomers could get out of school debt free. Gen X had some loans. We're drowning.

Oh god, I read that first article a while back. Dislike.

and it's not really entitlement to feel that you should be able to get an education and be able to financially support yourself

Also... I see it less in certain circles, but I see a lot of it other circles.. the expectation of a good job or feeling special or whatever. The sort of "I don't have a job but secretly think one will find me"

People should feel entitled to jobs that can support them.

those are desires everyone has had throughout the century

the places I see entitlement are like... a friend I'm no longer friends with (for unrelated reasons lol) felt it was demeaning for her to take a minimum wage summer job in college

or to rely on her parents' connections to get her jobs since she should just be able to find one herself on her own merits!!

that's special snowflake syndrome

I'm in the military right now, right? Outside the officer half of my class have most or all of a bachelor degree finished.

But it's like... one person works three jobs to save up money to go to school and another one expects to get loans or for their parents to pay. It's not unreasonable to feel entitled to an education but there

One person has a masters. They joined because of lack of options. With a masters.

are many different ways to get there. Same with the job thing. Working your way up from the mail room used to be a thing in my industry specifically, but now people just want and expect to jump right in.

well could they support themselves in the mailroom right now?

like... could they afford to live on that income?

JulyFlame: They're probs overqualified and thus too expensive after the financial collapse.

i'd say a lot of millenials have to work harder to prove themselves because they aren't taken seriously?

^ that

I'm not saying there aren't real problems with the economy and other things, but I still think special snowflake is absolutely a thing and a contributing factor to our generation's unhappiness.

Yes. Which was caused by the boomers.

I also strongly disagree with the mentality that it's entitlement to not want to work three jobs to go to school haha

(as a gross summary)

also companies going the "we'll just go the unpaid intern route" makes it a lot harder to get a small entry level position

there's definitely entitlement but in some cases I don't think it's a bad thing

conditions can't improve if we don't demand them to, basically

chirality: And you might have a point there in that entitlement probs means different thing to different people

I can't keep up with everyone, so.

Plus you have the rise of exploitative unpaid internships, often located in cities where the cost of living is particularly high

i know because i'm in that boat. all "mail room" type jobs are unpaid internships with no guarantee, everything more requires more than just a degree

This guy isn't even over specialized. He's finance and has all sorts of crazy certifications.

Ah jammydodgers beat me to it!

my personal interpretation is that the role of education is changing

in my parents' generation less than 10% of the population had a graduate degree, I think less than 5% even

so some kids inherit their parents' perception of college means huge success!! because, you know, for them it did

which is the part of this article I agree with lol

There is a distinct problem when people from even good schools and with good grades and good degrees can not get work.

what chirality said

well society can't support, for example, two hundred thousand new lawyers a year or whatever it is

America needs to emphasize lower level education in areas that have supported job markets

instead of just... shunting everyone into the same path because they don't want to fund anything expensive

reality wouldn't be so disappointing compared to expectations if careers were better diversified

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Also, tbh, I more identified with the realities - expectations gap that our generation is facing than the entitlement aspect. That's mainly what I was a fan of, _

but I'll continue to defend the entitlement thing because I do think it's absolutely true at least in my limited corners of the world.

yeah I'm not blaming the older generation whatsoever! I just don't think entitlement is a generation specific trait haha

ime the reality-expectation gap is real and I get what you mean there

I do however think that the millenials being so stressed comparatively has something to do with the economic concept that it's hardest, financially, to be middle class. the lower class can't

it's not generation specific, but it's def been more prevalent in successive generations beyond the boomers?

afford a lot of complicating factors like loans and mortgages and so on, but middle class doesn't have enough to take risks safely

and things are getting more and more complicated in terms of the number of issues we have to juggle

for example, my dad always had health care his whole life because the jobs available to him just gave him health care. it's the way it worked then. we have no such guarantee

and as the article pointed out, I do also agree that we're glorifying the "successful" just as much as we ever did, so people compare themselves to inflated images instead of reality

... LOL this washing post article sounds like it's describing a bad RPer stereotype

god those people do exist and they drive me batty

*washington omg what is typing today

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oh, people absolutely believe things based on their personal exposure hahaha. and I do see a lot of this "I shouldn't have to work anything I don't want to!!" bull shit and it gets me steaming mad

and I see a profound amount of learned helplessness. my issue is probably that I deeply resent being tarred with the same brush LOL

I realize it's a generalization but yeah, my personal biases give me backlash against it

I found this a much more informative article on the subject written more to my tastes: Underemployed And Overeducated: The Status Of Today's College Gra...

"Maybe we should incentivize colleges to more accurately counsel students" YEAH I DON'T KNOW MAYBE but okay I'll shut up now lol

but it's just.... depressing. I could go get a certification to be a lab tech to go with my BS that my parents spent $100k or more for, and make 30k as a lab tech.

or I could use my 10k massage license to make 30k.

my mom actually thought I was selling myself short to get my massage license and yet it's my absolute best career path if I don't go back to school, financially speaking.

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Aaaaaaaaaaand now I'm off to work

bye!! but yeah, I do see what you mean, I think I just assiduously avoid all those super entitled parent-leech people because I detest it

so I'm not exposed to it as much. for my own mental health xD

Haha, yeah most of the people I see it in are not in my friend group but 2nd string??

lol 2nd string friends sounds awful but I agree with the term

IT'S LIKE how how many of us are going to see 50 Shades but obv someone is

lots of people are going to see fifty shades....

I mean like.. 2 degress of separation of whatever. xD

NO YEAH I GOT THAT

OKAY I REALLY HAVE TO GO but I did want to say if you want to leave more thoughts I'll def reply later!! I enjoy discussing

you'd know better than me about the social media / image crafting bit but I absolutely agree with it 100%

OKAY BYE!! you know me I'll debate all day

I get sour because my whole life I've had people judge me for my age, when I work REALLY hard not to be representative of all those negative qualities. and obviously, people I like / am friendly with

wouldn't espouse them either, so in my viewpoint, it seems like an unfair assessment

but I acknowledge that I shouldn't do the cardinal sin of taking anecdotes over data rofl

That's fascinating to me because I mostly found the opposite growing up. Even at Allied in Boston, my boss was younger than me!

Lol I told my when I was 15 that I wanted to get a job. she said she'd pay me to do chores. I said that meant she'd still be paying all my expenditures and we

needed an outside source of income.

*told my mom

so idk that's just one example but basically everything I've done, I've never fit into my age group. sometimes as a kid I'd get along with friends' parents better than them

all my friends on high school were older than me too

I worked at my dad's office (like legit 9-5, doing actual work) full time for the summer at 15. xD I was the same with my friends being

older too. I was mostly friends with my teachers. Then I was the youngest person on staff at the haunted house.