Maligerent
9 years ago
[Mal tries to understand race dynamics and fails] Not going to put this on tumblr for....obvious reasons but
latest #128
Maligerent
9 years ago
That post that's been circulating about Adam Driver's body dysphoria
Maligerent
9 years ago
had a comment that really seemed to be trying to shit on people for saying we shouldn't not stand up for someone with dysphoria because Oscar Isaac and John Boyega had it worse???
Maligerent
9 years ago
Like I????
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Maligerent
9 years ago
How does that in any way negate an actor having really poor body image
Maligerent
9 years ago
To the point where watching himself causes actual distress
Maligerent
9 years ago
Like I said I can't exactly post this on Tumblr because I'd probably be eaten alive but
Maligerent
9 years ago
I just sincerely don't understand
Maligerent
9 years ago
I know there was so much shit Isaac and Boyega got just for being men of color in a Star Wars film but
Maligerent
9 years ago
I'm just like
Maligerent
9 years ago
"Yes that's true and actual Hollywood bullshittery and people are racist assholes at Oscar & John but also Adam has an actual self-esteem disorder"
Maligerent
9 years ago
It just reads like "they should be protected because they're POC!!!! but yeah make fun of Adam Driver's nose that's still okay"
Maligerent
9 years ago
I just....to me John & Oscar shouldn't be mocked for being poc just like Adam shouldn't be mocked for his appearance either, because of mental health reasons
Maligerent
9 years ago
It comes off as really ableist, almost?
Maligerent
9 years ago
idk I am just so confused and kind of like "......"
Birdy
9 years ago
..........Man, I'm with you :/
Birdy
9 years ago
I hate the way Tumblr goes "I have a pet issue so no ohters exist"
Birdy
9 years ago
I've actually seen some of those circles say that anyone white and male CAN'T actually have depression or mental illness
Birdy
9 years ago
And that if they're depressed it's their own fault
Maligerent
9 years ago
Maybe I'm missing something? Again, the way my brain works with ASD, but...
Maligerent
9 years ago
........wow
Maligerent
9 years ago
omg
Birdy
9 years ago
(Hell I've had someone I thought had been a friend who fel into that mindset attack me that I couldn't possibly understand minorities b/c I was white/cis....)
Birdy
9 years ago
(......after I'd been going through the story of getting death threats for being bi/in a same-sex relationship)
Birdy
9 years ago
You're not missing something, they just kinda tune out anything that isn't race and it gets really toxic
Maligerent
9 years ago
Mmmmmrph
Birdy
9 years ago
(this person did completely turn on me to the point of shit on WG because I was uncomfortable with "DIE CIS SCUM" and "DIE WHITEY" and "white/cis people can't have mental illness/be unhappy")
Maligerent
9 years ago
Oh my god
Maligerent
9 years ago
what the actual fuck
Birdy
9 years ago
and she did go as far as dismissing that even being LGBT or having an abuse background was still invalid if you were white.
Birdy
9 years ago
Sooo I'm not.....really... from what she did whe nshe went on the "No I'm being perfectly rational", they take th sociological large-scale definition of "oppression and discrimination" that's used for
Birdy
9 years ago
discussion of laws and cultural dynamics where things are definied as a "dominant" group that holds power etc.
Maligerent
9 years ago
what an awful person. 8|
Birdy
9 years ago
And then applying it to individual dynamics to mean that "because that's discrimination, minorities can't be hateful/abusive b/c abuse is a power dynamic"
Birdy
9 years ago
Except htat at that scale, you're dealing with psychology
Birdy
9 years ago
Individual/small group
Birdy
9 years ago
And on that scale, prejudice is a pervasive set of ideas about a group of people defined by a stereotype regardless of context
Maligerent
9 years ago
Tribe dynamics as opposed to Kingdom dynamics, right
Birdy
9 years ago
And discrimination is acting on those prejudices, positively (preferental treatment) or negatively (abuse)
Birdy
9 years ago
So baiscally it's ...armchair sociology used to justify "I am hurt by social dynamics so I hav ea right to take it out on other people" and revenge mentality?
Birdy
9 years ago
"Beause I was hurt by white people I have a right to want to see white poeple suffer/be abusive towards them regardless of context"
Maligerent
9 years ago
and invalidate their identities, apparently
Birdy
9 years ago
And then using the sociological/poli-sci definiton rather than the psychological one to justify it as "I can't be prejudiced/discriminatory/abusive because you can only be abusive if you're in a position of
Birdy
9 years ago
cultural power"
Birdy
9 years ago
Yeah basically
Birdy
9 years ago
I's really bloody toxic and completely ignores intersectionality or the existence of other issues besides the pet one
Birdy
9 years ago
Like the thing where if you're white then mental health issues like self-esteem issues, body-image issues, etc. are invalidated by being "white" and to be made fun of.
Birdy
9 years ago
Instead of going "Race is an issue and so is toxic body-image problems/depression/mental illness stigma"
Birdy
9 years ago
It's not really race dynamics at that point, tbh :/
Birdy
9 years ago
More like individual bitterness turning into negative coping mechanisms justifying abusive behavior
Maligerent
9 years ago
regardless every single lead in the new Star Wars is someone I admire and get really protective over. Every. Single. One.
Birdy
9 years ago
Yeah, and I do love that tey DID do so much that wasn't th eclassic hollywood habits
Birdy
9 years ago
Carrie Fisher's older (and people have been HORRIBLE about the fact taht she -LOOKS OLD-) and has been doing mental health advocacy
Birdy
9 years ago
(her dog's a service dog for bipolar)
Maligerent
9 years ago
And everyone is p much like "that's nice George" at Lucas's toxic behavior
Maligerent
9 years ago
"now sit down and drink your beer"
Birdy
9 years ago
Didn't he kinda sign away rights?
Maligerent
9 years ago
Yes.
Birdy
9 years ago
I noticed that he was positive about the movie
Birdy
9 years ago
Until it came out
Birdy
9 years ago
And got a positive reception
Birdy
9 years ago
And more positive than the prequel trilogy
Maligerent
9 years ago
And then decided to bitch about it being diverse and better than his trainwreck that was the prequels
Birdy
9 years ago
And then suddenly he hates it and is comparing signing away the rights to slavery
Birdy
9 years ago
Yeah
Maligerent
9 years ago
Yuuuuup
Birdy
9 years ago
"That's nice sit down and drink your beer and let it go" is about the best anyone can do with that
Maligerent
9 years ago
But yeah UGH people have been such shit to Carrie Fisher
Birdy
9 years ago
yeah :/
Birdy
9 years ago
I love how she and the others banded togther on it
carrie fisher looks fabulous thank you
Maligerent
9 years ago
She's been a fucking Queen about it though UGH
Birdy
9 years ago
(and she did call out a problem - the thing where women aren't allowed to look older etc.)
Birdy
9 years ago
YES
she is diamonds
Maligerent
9 years ago
I love reading her twitter feed
Birdy
9 years ago
I LOVE HER ALL THE MORE
Maligerent
9 years ago
her dog is the best
Maligerent
9 years ago
that tongue
Birdy
9 years ago
Oh did you hear about the thing with the pink R2 unit you see in a few of the scenes with the X-wing fighter groups?
Maligerent
9 years ago
I didn't see it!
Birdy
9 years ago
OH GOD
Maligerent
9 years ago
But I know about it yes
TELL ME
Maligerent
9 years ago
I need to watch it again
Birdy
9 years ago
- SO BASICALLY
Birdy
9 years ago
That pink R2 wasn't made by the Lucasfilm group/etc.
Birdy
9 years ago
There was a little girl who was terminally ill
Birdy
9 years ago
And someone who makes custom R2 unit things made one for her as a gift before she died, her family kept it
Birdy
9 years ago
They started going to 501st things and going out to fundraisers and things for that illness an for terminally ill children with that R2 unit
Birdy
9 years ago
And someone working on the movie found out and asked if they could have it in the movie
oh my goodness
Birdy
9 years ago
(tbh I think it passing out of Lucas's hands was the best thing that could've happened, he's gotten old and bitter and hung up on a lot of shit and stopped accepting input from others)
you could see it in the prequels. a lot of it was just his ego.
Birdy
9 years ago
Yeah; I didn't hate them but a lot of the things that could've been better probably chalked up to him not taking outside input like he had wiht the original trilogy
it's kind of like. you were hoping they would fail, dude
you were hoping that "oh man it's just not the same without lucas" would be the response
but it wasn't and you're pissed
Birdy
9 years ago
Yep
Birdy
9 years ago
And now he's looking for anything to pick apart and just...needs....to stop
Maligerent
9 years ago
oh my god
Maligerent
9 years ago
I'm doing it
Maligerent
9 years ago
this is like the fourth post I've seen invalidating it and I'm mad
Maligerent
9 years ago
I'm actually posting a retort
Maligerent
9 years ago
pray for me
Maligerent
9 years ago
I don't care anymore I am so fucking pissed
Birdy
9 years ago
Man I agree wit hyou 100%there
Birdy
9 years ago
b/c that really is "mental illness isn't a ~real~ disability" bullshit
Maligerent
9 years ago
or equally as bad the "other people have it worse" argument
Maligerent
9 years ago
which oh hey a common way to invalidate someone's issues
Birdy
9 years ago
Yeah :/
Birdy
9 years ago
Oppression Olympics arguments, the only things that are valid are Pet Issue, nothing else is actually worth caring about
spicy mycelium
9 years ago
this kind of shit is why I don't bother with anything "social justice" on Tumblr
spicy mycelium
9 years ago
there are so many toxic, idiotic people there who I feel like are either 4chan plants trying to discredit the social justice movement
spicy mycelium
9 years ago
or have gotten sucked in by their rhetoric because it allows them to bully others without repercussions, which gives them a feeling of power and validation that they've never had anywhere else in their lives
spicy mycelium
9 years ago
and they're not self-aware enough to realize that getting into Oppression Olympics makes them part of the patriarchy's agenda, because divide-and-conquer is its number one tactic
Birdy
9 years ago
Or that they make it easier to discredit and feed into making people with a bias more biased by reinforcement
Birdy
9 years ago
And neutral people more likely to turn hostile
Birdy
9 years ago
/hi known psych patterns with biases
Birdy
9 years ago
/"I have a right to be abusive b/c I hate this general category of people"= opposite of fighting a negative prejudice
Maligerent
9 years ago
....welp I've gotten at least one reply that seems to be a mix of lack of reading comprehension/"oh no angry language=malicious intent!!!"
Birdy
9 years ago
.... Ah Tumblr.
Birdy
9 years ago
The Mos Eisley of social issues.
I dunno. mos eisley had some good music.
I'm not even sure what that person is trying to argue
no one can know all the issues someone is facing and how dare you judge them for not knowing something and saying something jerky
how about don't be a jerk to anyone
Birdy
9 years ago
Yeah that's about the thing that drives me nuts, the "I have a right to act abusively toward others/just be nasty don't judge me because I'm a minority and entitled to it"
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