Dust Bunny
7 years ago
CREATORS There is a huge sims "conversion" site that has copybotted and are selling our meshes via patreon or offering them for free on their blog, I've noticed a lot of stores work on here, please scroll through and be sure you are not on this site LEO-SIMS: Archive - Leosims.com – Sims 4 Custom Content
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Dust Bunny
7 years ago
Dust Bunny
7 years ago
they will also use models and horribly retexture them, so be on the lookout for familiar looking models
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vespertine
7 years ago
what the hell again
Dust Bunny
7 years ago
leo-sims leo-sims leo-sims just a few of many posts
Dust Bunny
7 years ago
Leo Sims is creating Sims 4 Custom Content | Patreon this is their patreon, they have many supporters who are paying for our ripped meshes, trying to find out the report process now
Dust Bunny
7 years ago
NeoBokrug: bitchisFIERCE: thank you!
Nylon Pinkney
7 years ago
god DAMNIT they are getting 6 bucks for this!! leo-sims
Dust Bunny
7 years ago
NylonPinkney: its horrible, the whole site is ripped from secondlife i don't even know where to start
Nylon Pinkney
7 years ago
I just submitted a DMCA
this is just awful I'm so sorry for you guys
Nylon Pinkney
7 years ago
more here leo-sims
Nimil
7 years ago
pfft, these jerks are all over the sim community standing up for other people who rip off second life stuff and bring it into the sims...
vespertine
7 years ago
even used name of wasabi pills store vendor bottle, incredible :-( ill check for more when im behind pc
vespertine
7 years ago
hm sure !!!
Polyester P
7 years ago
wow that is obnoxious
Jujubean
7 years ago
I reported this site to Patreon maybe a week ago and they said I'd have to file a DMCA in order for them to take it down since they can't make judgement calls on copyright. My life is kind of hectic right now so I haven't looked further into sending a DMCA but it's just a heads up to anyone sending a complaint to Patreon. Be prepared to send a DMCA :-(
Dust Bunny
7 years ago
mrsknelstrom: jesus christ, really? wasabipills
Dust Bunny
7 years ago
Jujubean: I understand I just hope this gets deleted for good, I'm filling a DMCA with patreon and tumblr, they seem easy to submit, the hard part is trying to find a way to get the actual website taken down, i'm not sure where to start with that
Dust Bunny
7 years ago
Damien|O.M.E.N
7 years ago
Decor Baby Models – Leosims.com Exclusive Set 5 – Leosims.com I think these are Black Bantam, can anyone confirm?
Dust Bunny
7 years ago
omensl: they have their monkey as well, Baby Orangutan – Leosims.com
vespertine says
7 years ago
omensl: YES
vespertine says
7 years ago
omensl: sadly it seems like its been around for a while, not the first time Im seeing it being used by them :-(
Damien|O.M.E.N
7 years ago
mrsknelstrom: :-( really frustrating.
tarte.
7 years ago
ugh :-( their disclaimer just adds insult to this whole thing. the NERVE
tarte.
7 years ago
i'll be filling a DMCA as well. thanks for the heads up
Damien|O.M.E.N
7 years ago
tarteSL: they claim they make everything except "conversions", all I see are these "conversions".
tarte.
7 years ago
3 More Lamps – Leosims.com i see my cloud light here, the flamingo light looks SL familiar too
tarte.
7 years ago
omensl: right, pretty sure that's the only thing they have
tarte.
7 years ago
dear god, two pages into the "lighting" section and it's all second life stuff. gonna have to scour this entire site. how aggravating :-(
Dust Bunny
7 years ago
tarteSL: I know :-( It's frustrating that we have to take our time and energy to get our own stolen items removed, they also link everything to their tumblr page, so I'm filling DMCAs on tumblr and patreon
Dust Bunny
7 years ago
Ilke Turgut apparently this is their facebook page, and they are following SL stores
Damien|O.M.E.N
7 years ago
I think we need to put together a JIRA for LL because this is just the symptom of the issue, which is how easy it is to have items stolen from SL.
ekuSplode
7 years ago
looks like leosims is hosted by godaddy. you should start by contacting [email protected] and asking them how to go about filing DMCA takedown.
NeoBokrug
7 years ago
Legal Agreement
They have a handy form, Section B1
Damien|O.M.E.N
7 years ago
ekuZhong: They are not with Godaddy they are with Domains By Proxy® to protect their identity, godaddy is the lister for domains by proxy. So a claim would have to be filed with Domains by proxy.
Damien|O.M.E.N
7 years ago
But I'm sure filing to both doesn't hurt.
ekuSplode
7 years ago
omensl: it is a service you pay for through godaddy when you buy a hosting package. the abuse contact on whois is listed as [email protected]
Damien|O.M.E.N
7 years ago
ekuZhong: You're right! Still I think filing on both is a good idea.
Damien|O.M.E.N
7 years ago
Look what they say about SL
Damien|O.M.E.N
7 years ago
For people wanting to go the full legal route, or just interested in what that would take: “How To” on Cease & Desist and DMCA Takedown | Pa... I know this isn't an option for a lot of us
Damien|O.M.E.N
7 years ago
But please consider it
ekuSplode
7 years ago
There is another option for people who think they do not have one. Collectively employ a lawyer to file a cease and desist on behalf of all who have infringed content.
ekuSplode
7 years ago
This way no personal names and addresses go out. It also gets the attention of the hosting company very quickly.
ekuSplode
7 years ago
This also works for SL too, getting a solicitor to file on your behalf.
Fearyfox(Reyn)
7 years ago
Honestly, easiest way to deal with him would be to contact all of the brands that's on his branded stuff [State Farm, Adidas, etc] and let them go after him.... because he ought to know better, I don't think this is the first time he's come up.
Dust Bunny
7 years ago
ekuZhong: Thanks for this info! thats really helpful
Dust Bunny
7 years ago
also it appears that ALL items on this website are available on their patreon, a patreon that is getting $5+ for each supporter, which currently has 200+ supporters, they are getting a LOT of money
RoseBun Foofoo
7 years ago
its about 3k a month they are getting
Dust Bunny
7 years ago
we are in contact with the website owner which seems to be complying with us so far and gathering links, so if you see any stores items above just send the links here, or in a PP to me
Jadezilla
7 years ago
ugh this makes me so sad :-( thank you for letting us know. I've sent them a message on their leosims page requesting them to take my item down but idk what else i can do
Dust Bunny
7 years ago
Jadezilla: of course! you can also file a DMCA with tumblr which is very easy with them, and if you wanted to you can file a DMCA with patreon How do I send a DMCA takedown notice? + DMCA Copyright Notifications | Tumblr also give the tumblr archive a look over to make sure you have no more items on there, we'll be in contact with the owner when we finish getting everyones links
Jadezilla
7 years ago
omg i just checked their tumblr they have more stuff from me: LEO-SIMS : Photo they recolored this
MissAllSunday
7 years ago
lxlNoel: ty for tagging me! I'm filing a DMCA ASAP (angry)
ekuSplode
7 years ago
lxlNoel: you're welkies. It is a horrible thing to have one's stuff abused like this. much hugs to you.
Dust Bunny
7 years ago
eliavah: No it didn't come across rude at all! Most people I contacted about their work being on patreon also submitted DCMA's myself included, what we can't get removed are the website listings so thats why we are trying to contact them, we also bought access to view the patreon to see if they are following through or not, i just hope everythings removed:-(
Dust Bunny
7 years ago
its really frustrating to me that even with all the past dmca's filed against them that patreon has yet to close their freaking page lol. It makes me not have that much hope in their dmca process, but I'm just waiting to see how it plays out at this point
Fearyfox(Reyn)
7 years ago
I still say, if any of them have trademarked or IP on their things that is from a big company, contact the big companies. They do have resources we don't.
Damien|O.M.E.N
7 years ago
Hey! I have nicely tried to be in contact with Leo. In the beginning she was very nice, seemed even wanting to genuinely have this stolen content removed.
Damien|O.M.E.N
7 years ago
However, it seems the list of items to remove is too many, they are telling me these items are from the Sims 3, and not Second Life. This includes items confirmed by Sari Sari, Floorplan, Dust Bunny and several others.
Damien|O.M.E.N
7 years ago
At this point I think the only option for some is to DCMA if their items are on the Patreon with proof of creation and ownership.
meme | melissa
7 years ago
i feel like the lanterns look like DDD
meme | melissa
7 years ago
everything else no just the lanterns look like a DDD lantern i have
meme | melissa
7 years ago
could be similar though and not the same lol i’m half asleep so i’ll check
meme | melissa
7 years ago
ok nope not the same ones ^ nothing looks familiar to me
Dust Bunny
7 years ago
Grixdale: I really hope that is true, I'm afraid that he will resurface if it does happen
Dust Bunny
7 years ago
Also everyone for the website the items are on, you can DMCA the download links so they get removed and can't be download anymore, they are on media share and mega that I've seen
Dust Bunny
7 years ago
https://i.gyazo.com/28ab6899a2c4a6271fcde220ed4d51e7.png this is a reply that a store got in reply to getting a link removed from mega
Dust Bunny
7 years ago
MEGA + MediaFire woops I meant media fire, but heres the dmca links if anyone needs them
cranberry sauce
7 years ago
I also wanna point out that while EA is 100% okay with Sims custom content/mods, they're very much Not Cool with players selling their custom content, IIRC
cranberry sauce
7 years ago
so
cranberry sauce
7 years ago
okay someone else already said that
Dust Bunny
7 years ago
swirlix: Yup! I think patreon is a way that they can get around that annoyingly, but if they don't remove the patreon I will look into contacting EA
cranberry sauce
7 years ago
I mean I know that it's super easy to abuse the DMCA for censorship/other stuff, but
Polyester P
7 years ago
I don't feel sorry for these people at all. I hope these DMCA's get shoved so far up their butts they can taste them. They logged on to second life somehow and went through the effort of stealing meshes and textures. Plain and simple. They really don't deserve gentle actions.
cranberry sauce
7 years ago
seriously wtf Patreon
Nylon Pinkney
7 years ago
PolyesterPartridge: agreed, taste it
Dust Bunny
7 years ago
PolyesterPartridge: I agree, there is no reasoning with them, most of the sims CC community who are aware of this happening, STILL support the theft, and consider it "hate" that designers get angry about this lol. its absolutely sickening. The only way is for us that seems to be working is to keep tabs on everything and DMCA any stolen content
Polyester P
7 years ago
Seriously fuck them. We're all here busting our asses painstakingly making this stuff and these thieves are making a profit off our work.
Fearyfox(Reyn)
7 years ago
Neat trick designing for Sims 4 for five years - it came out in 14
NeoBokrug
7 years ago
To be fair, one RL year in SL feels like 5 years. ;-)
Fearyfox(Reyn)
7 years ago
I was a modder/mesher in Sims 2.... and been playing sims since 1 [and got into SL fairly early, too....]
Dust Bunny
7 years ago
" We are moving to our own host and server. All links will be hosted there. You can notice deleted links (since people are reporting our links). All downloads will be available in our new safe server. The new site will be advertised here when it is finished. We hope it will be finished in a month, a professional team is working on it."
meme | melissa says
7 years ago
....................
Dust Bunny
7 years ago
that is what they posted on their patreon, i don't know how we are going to be able to get our content removed when this happens :-( they will have their own built in pay system
Damien|O.M.E.N
7 years ago
I think we have to adapt new methods for securing new content since they already have our old content. We have to change the way we do things. The advantage we have is they are not making their content, they depend on getting it from us.
Fearyfox(Reyn)
7 years ago
Again, they have a fair amount of trademarked and copyrighted things - from big companies. Send word to them and see whether they want to do something to get them shut down. Companies like Adidas have far more resources to bring to bear.
[Black Bantam] says
7 years ago
I just filed a DMCA to godaddy and Patreon yesterday. She has like 10 items of mine there. Literally, all of my [Black Bantam] Babies are listed on her patreon. Not one was exempt. Just waiting for respond with godaddy. Patreon said they will handle it as fast as they can. I do recommend filing DMCA's. <3 Sorry everyone is dealing with this.
[Black Bantam] says
7 years ago
response with godaddy
[Black Bantam] says
7 years ago
Also Damien and Beth are right.
[Black Bantam] says
7 years ago
Also Dust Bunny, let's just hope she's just talking out of her bum. We can create our own site as well, when people search leosims and simplicity, our site will come up with that search.
[Black Bantam] says
7 years ago
Also, as Damien and I have talked about, perhaps we can contact EA/sims and let them know that our stolen content is being circulated. Second Life is really good about removing infringed content out of inventory so i'm willing to bet EA is the same. I'll ask my attorney as well.
meme | melissa says
7 years ago
i'm crying at this grabilla.com/07b1d-ddce7... lmao like REALLY YOU GUYS REALLY
RoseBun Foofoo
7 years ago
reminds me of this girl i had to deal with in sl, she was using ip stuff. because she had put the logos on textures she made, she had them "copyrighted" by this website.... when she just copy pasted logos onto a new texture she edited to fix her uv
RoseBun Foofoo
7 years ago
like these people really believe their own bullshit
[Black Bantam] says
7 years ago
[Black Bantam] says
7 years ago
nami_naeko: so true >.< the lengths she is going to is astounding ....
[Black Bantam] says
7 years ago
*are astounding .. ugh
Damien|O.M.E.N
7 years ago
memesaurus: Yeah! when you click her link it's not approved. Just scare tactics.
NeoBokrug
7 years ago
So. Even if they go to their own server, they will be hosting it someplace. That someplace will still have to accept DMCA filings -- even if it's their own house. If they fail to remove the content the host loses safe harbor protections and then becomes just as liable. Which is why all providers will take down identified content if a DMCA is filed...
NeoBokrug
7 years ago
If they were legit (which it appears they aren't), they would do a counter notification to have the content reinstated. So even if they move to another server of their own, the service provider has to act on a DMCA. And if they get their own box and host through their ISP at home, you can just DMCA the ISP.
Damien|O.M.E.N
7 years ago
Pretty sure what they're doing is just to desperately try and keep their subscribers. This is money they lose if they get kicked off patreon. I doubt they have a "team of professionals"
Dust Bunny
7 years ago
PinkAcid: NeoBokrug: Thank you! I hadn't thought of that, I'm for sure not going to give up filing DMCAs if they keep reappearing and will keep a close eye on them
ekuSplode
7 years ago
Once they put it on their own server, find out through whois where it is hosted or what ISP they are using and rinse and repeat DMCA take down requests
ekuSplode
7 years ago
NeoBokrug: ooops sorry you said it already
Jadezilla
7 years ago
OMFGINGERS another sim tumblr that displays stolen work. I have dmcaed them in the past for sharing some of my ripped meshes and tumblr took down those posts immediately. They has since stopped openly sharing their stolen meshes but i suspect they still do it privately for their followers
Jadezilla
7 years ago
i see a ton of sl items displayed here so you guys may want to take a look
Dust Bunny
7 years ago
ugh i see my mesh on there too :-( thanks for letting us know! lundylei: you can still file a dmca on any tumblr posts with stolen models on it, especially since i feel like its still promoting theft
Dust Bunny
7 years ago
im noticing their downloads are mostly stolen textures from sl, I'll let the creators know
Jadezilla
7 years ago
lundylei: yes I still reported the posts that only had pictures of my items because she still didn't have permission to upload my work on her tumblr. Rather than fight it, she just took down all her posts with download links
Dust Bunny
7 years ago
i'm also seeing apple_fall mrsknelstrom omensl and lots of my meshes so far, probably lots more stores on here :-(
vespertine says
7 years ago
Nimil
7 years ago
eliavah: i don't have much hope since i've seen them in the comment notes of some of these theft tumblrs telling them they are loved and they are so sorry to see them getting shoved into drama.
[Black Bantam] says
7 years ago
Good news everyone. Her Patreon has been removed. Also, I noticed many links on her www.leosims.com with stolen content have also been removed. :-) We'll follow her to her next spot indefinitely.
meme | melissa
7 years ago
woooo has
meme | melissa
7 years ago
progress!!!^
[Black Bantam] says
7 years ago
But please keep an eye out on leosims.com if you recognize yours or anyone else's content.
[Black Bantam] says
7 years ago
memesaurus: so much yes! <3 (p-drinking)
Dust Bunny
7 years ago
PinkAcid: this is such great news!! I'm sure they will be back somewhere, but i'll continue to follow them and dmca as long as they are stealing content
[Black Bantam] says
7 years ago
lxlNoel: haha at that emoji! <3 rest assured though, you will not be alone! i'm sure she's panicking / planning something >.<
Damien|O.M.E.N
7 years ago
I ended up getting a final announcement on Leo's Patreon before it closed. Looks like she's struggling to find a way to accept money on her new service and is trying to negotiate with patreon to just put pictures and email the downloads to her Patreons instead.
Damien|O.M.E.N
7 years ago
But if the images are there, it can be DCMAed.
Polyester P
7 years ago
Fuckkk her
demafairport says
7 years ago
Hey all, just found out about this, I am so sorry to hear what has been happening. I will be on the lookout as well. If I see anything I will let you know. Also if you see anything of mine from {E}lusive Designs, please let me know!!!
[Black Bantam] says
7 years ago
eliavah: yeah he patreon is back. ...so i'm guessing she made a deal to keep the reported links off of her patreon if they reinstated the page.
[Black Bantam] says
7 years ago
eliavah: yeah i am sending her one and so is one other designer that i know. problem is, she keeps giving fake RL info. i'm def looking into your patreon observation though. btw, check your SL IM's. one of her SL alts names is wermay4
Sun/Isa says
7 years ago
I'm late to the party
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