were jay less stressed he would realize that that's just how karkat talks but as it is he's like I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION . . . WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT FROM ME . . . .

also walpurgisnacht i left something in your inbox

karkat is especially stressed since he is...extremely aware of whats happening to the 12 since jade was pretty upfront about it to him LMAO I'm sorry

i hate you i hate terezi i cannot believe you did this to me?

i hate karkat. hes a good boy but i hate him for it. youre all so mean,,

Once this is all over they can all crash and just destress for a bit

wah i love terezi and karkat

she's sort of . . . unloading her issues a little whoops. this is supposed to be about karkat

KIDS... i love them so much

i am watching this thread like a hawk im sorry, i love it

earlier in this thread:
geir "you like information but you don't ask many questions, it's strange"
jay "i guess that's true, i should ask more"

now:
jay "i remember why i don't ask you questions"

l a u g h s

i don't blame him, it's really alarming when geir just answers honestly

YOU JUST KEEP TRIPPING HIS BUTTONS GEIR

he'd be less honest except he just got locked underground for a long time and he's disoriented and lonely

at least if he sets jay off again the interesting thing is he's had enough character growth this time to react to it completely differently

anyway i killed myself

he's a lot more unsure about basic things than jay would be post-canon but he has some convictions

man geir's not even really on the "is living worth it" level, it's sad

he's listening though he can tell jay has some feelings

he has a lot of feelings, unfortunately,

mobiusloops: wow rude!!

geir is like... starting to get to "i can be a person" but jay's response of "YOU NEED TO LIVE" was a direct response to "my existence is meaningless without vern" and he's just like

i think i have like, three levels of that glowing brain meme to get to before i can fully engage in this conversation

if you don't have an external thing to live FOR then what could??? possibly????????????? be the point?????????????????????????????????

living for external things is bad!!!!! live because you enjoy it

when this briefly came up with dirk, dirk's internal narration was like "oh yeah well of course geir wouldn't exist without vern" because dirk also sucks

rubs hands over face. guys............................

no though it's very interesting to me that jay like, thinks he may be an inhuman nonperson who was always destined to be a weapon & who doesn't deserve to live &c, but . . . he still very badly wants to live

look when you are abandoned by the external thing you want to live for you come to these conclusions very quickly

and that conclusion is "cling to existence because you're a selfish fuck"

of course he has a corresponding "never invest in other people because you might get hurt" hangup so we're all fucked in the head here

im crying because i wrote through geir's whole logical process trying to examine that thought and then came back in here and you were talking about the exact same thing

he's trying very hard to do jay the courtesy of not going "sounds fake"

i'd say "the courtesy is appreciated" but that's a lie, jay is too self-centered for that

you don't KNOW that

it's possible no one would care if i died at all!!!!

i'm sorry i can't acknowledge this because of my crippling fear of relying on other people

it's fine, there's obviously absolutely 0 possible compromise between "have no reason to exist without other people" and "relying on absolutely no one"

we're both occupying perfectly reasonable positions here

i'm laughing about this thread. dirk: "anyway that's just more evidence that i'm a toxic person" jay: "????? all those are words but they don't make sense in that order????"

i think part of it is that jay pushes people's buttons deliberately all the time in game and people sort of go 'ah, jay, he's only really doing it because he Cares'

which, ALSO not ideal, but like

he just fundamentally does not understand this idea that lashing out at someone in anger means you're a horrible person to be around. that? just? happens sometimes??

that's literally not how logic works?????

dirk has a really outsized idea of his own capacity to destroy people is the problem

dirk, constantly, about anything he does

this is why geir tried to be a good friend by telling him that he wasnt actually that smart

"sometimes people get mad at each other and say terrible things??? that's just a thing that happens????"

buddy,

who put dirk on a popular mainstream comedy show

we can't all be as secure in our personhood as that aspirational figure, jay the unseen

GOD

this kills the ink

jay definitely knows he wants to live and is doing so well!