with what they believe re: amakusa, I mean

not the romance

if they said that mankind would become evil with immortality, sure, but that wasn't what would happen

and that's not what they said

it was just garbage nonsense about how mankind would stop expanding

and how dare you say that some ephemeral 'expansion' is worth torture and suffering and killing and rape of literally billions

Now Kiritsugu's wish was broken and couldn't work because of the grail

but Shirou's would have

literally WHO CARES if humanity stops growing

it doesn't mean anything if you can just skip the growth and get to the end result but save people doing it

no

it would have gotten pruned

like any deviation to the established panhistory no matter if it's good or bad gets pruned

it's not as goetia who actually was remaking the planet, amakusa was working within the world rules, his little experiment would have doomed that timeline

Assuming that would happen - which is never stated anywhere in the apoc anime

in the end...who cares?

I'm against the pruning because it's abhorrent, but what you're saying is that 'everyone will die' but they'll all die anyway

at least they'll get to experience a time where there is no pain or suffering for a while until it ends

instead of one day reaching that level thousands to millions of years later and then dying out anyway

if the end result is always the same, why allow the suffering in between?

though to be fair

if changing things following the rules fails, then the answer is to break the rules and crush the system

so if Amakusa won't work I'd just end up siding with Goetia

it's not as if they'll die, they'll stop existing

which is a bit worse than death

obviously Jeanne does care, she was sent to stop Amakusa in a way.

Amakusa had no frame or understanding, same as Kiritsugu, they were ignorant.

(and I like Amakusa more than Sieg, but I owed up to that)

there's absolutely no say there'll be death in the end, in fact humanity will strive to leave the world, the root or the planet if it threatens them but that's only if they ARE motivated to do it.

enlightenment state is kind of a thing

but one day they will die

humanity will come to an end eventually

no

that's the thing

humanity will move out space

and after that or before that they'll move out the root or seek enlightening

gil and roman envisioned it.