But... WHY

jesus christ

n-no

a...comedy???

my friend seems to think it might turn out good but idk

comedy isn't antithetical to star trek but Rick and Morty comedy sure is

I'm so fucking tired

No, it isn't, but I feel like that kind of comedy is disrespectful to the idea of Star Trek

I don’t think they’d apply rick and morty comedy to Star Trek tbqh

why wouldn't they though? why tap the Rick and Morty writers if that's not the kind of humor you want? why make that a selling point if that's not what you want people to expect?

I'm just so tired of this idea that star trek needs to be rebooted for the Modern Era because it's fundamentally uncool and embarassing

I do agree with that, Star Trek was already great as it is

like star trek isn't allowed to exist in modern media unless it's COOL! and there's SPACE ACTION! and EXPLOSIONS! and EDGY HUMOR! and BAD STUFF that happens because PEOPLE SUCK and nothing in the future will be better because humanity can't change its vices!

I do keep hearing that Discovery is pretty good but I'm not going to pay to watch it lol

everything after DS9 aired keeps being set back before TOS started and like. w h y?

i don't think they purposely chose the writer because they were rick and morty and they wanted the rick and morty humour. there's too much of a dissonance between those two fandoms for it to be a good idea. i think it's the people reporting it bringing in that fact.

i don't think they're trying to change star trek into something sexy and cool, it's just evolving as all things do when they're around for too long.

things invariably change based on the era they were created

I mean I know stuff changes and I don't like to be the gatekeeping Old Man Yelling At Cloud, but I am genuinely really burned out on a lot of the stylistic and thematic trends that have been popular in the last decade or two, and they really, really don't work for star trek

the winds have started to shift but we definitely still haven't completely left the Grimdark Edgy Shakycam People Are Always Terrible To Each Other era and I would kind of like everybody to stay the fuck away from star trek until we've culturally detoxed from that shit

like. all of the new movies WERE about changing star trek into something sexy and cool. ST 2009 and Beyond were okay, but there wasn't anything really star trek about them. they were just action space romps. STID was so bafflingly un-trek I don't know why they even bothered.

Just to step in with some clarification calling Mike McMahan a "rick and morty writer" is a little disengenious of the article, as he's...already written for Star Trek before.

And it was his work with star trek that got him hired for this

I mean, why are these people even interested in star trek? if you hate so deeply the idea of a show that's dorky and optimistic and genuine, why do you want anything to do with star trek at all, you know??

if you think the message that "hey, we do some bad stuff, but we can be better, and the future will be great!" is just so unspeakably lame, what the hell about star trek appeals to you as something to produce new movies and show about

atomiclemon that's good to know

I feel a little better

he also wrote the officially sanctioned "Star Trek The Next Generation Warped" book, and I believe ran a tng episode review podcast

also, the animated series is about the "lower decks" crew members, so it should be fun

"pitched the series by saying, “I want to do a show about the people who put the yellow cartridge in the food replicator so a banana can come out the other end.”"

(also I think he wrote like 3, maybe 4 episodes of Rick and Morty, so calling him "Rick and Morty writer" is a bit like calling Neil Gaiman "a doctor who writer". It's...technically true, sure.

hhhg

kay

I will try to find my chill

I don't get this way about anything except star trek, this is just my big berserk button

I def get it. <3

CBS seems to be going out of their way to assure people that the people they're hiring now and what they want to do NOW is be more like old trek than nutrek

idk there were a lot of those same themes of people being dark~ by nature in TOS as far as I can recall (although, don't quote me on this because my memory blows). i'm also... kinda new to star trek as things go, so the new stuff holds a special place in my heart

I just want to be able to enjoy TOS in peace and be able to have fandom conversations about its merits without being talked over by random assholes and other fans about how haha tos is so stupid and lol have you seen the Orville yet???

uuugh, TOS is great and anyone that doesn't like it sucks butts

vertices there were! the thing with TOS was that it was all about how to fix those things, and why they were bad, and how important it is that we move forward from them

not just using them as a narrative device

people who enjoy the orville really...should like TOS. Clearly they are not paying attention to reality.

like it's super cheesy and anvilicious but that's.... the whole point

there's nothing wrong with TOS, I just kinda wish we'd get more Trek that's set like... after DS9 in the timeline. I like having alien crewmembers as regulars and you don't get that in the 'older' part of the timeline

i like TOS and orville, but i feel like orville has too much of seth mcfarlane's stank on it for me to truly love it

I think the new jean luc picard series will be post-ds9

BIG FUCKIN MOOD

like okay

that's my problem

is like

Picard series fuck yes

though for some reason marina sirtis and michael dorn are shitting all over the new picard series like it somehow offends them that it exists

that's one thing i didn't like about discovery, why do you have to retcon star trek canon when you can just.... make up your own by setting it AFTER?

Enterprise was set pre-TOS too and no one liked it

like some shit goes down in discovery and it's fun! i liked it, i thought it was a wild ride but... it didn't technically need to be set before the original series.

what bothers me so much about the Star Trek Renaissance is there just seems to be so much mean-spiritedness to it. like the humor has to be crass or mocking of the original stuff and it's all about smoothing over the embarrassing pimples of the old shows

not necessarily from the fans but from creators

i didn't get that vibe from discovery?

y, I wish they'd done what they were originally going to do, and have a trek anthology

I haven't watched discovery yet, I haven't actually heard a whole lot about it, tbh

where one season was one thing, the next season was another, etc, etc

one thing I do love about the new movies is that they have brought in so many new fans who are really great

discovery's...fine. a little boring til mid-season, but they seem to be going out of their way NOT to really Retcon anything

I just don't like the vibe I get from the people who actually MAKE the new star trek stuff

like yeah you think you can do star trek so much better, congratulations, here's your "I'm cooler than gene roddenberry" award

unlike enterprrise which was all "you thought it was this? HAHAH. no, it was this."

discovery will introduce a new tech that seems all "...okay, well why don't we have that in the future, it seems way better", but then they'll explain over the course of a few episodes exactly why

i think i was thinking more of the "no history of mutiny" when burnham is called a mutineer for, like, 90% of the show. and blah blah the stuff that happens at the end but??? i feel like that

that still exists??

and like michael existing at all

y, that's a bit weird, but like...idk, i suppose it's possible that it could have been locked down, info-wise. They still have to go into why there's no record of burnham in future at all

And they said that's a bit of what they deal with in season 2

what I'm not liking is that a lot of the old cast members seem...really super into shitting all over anything that isn't the show they were on.

it felt unnecessary to me, but i guess they have time to explain it all

tbh Star Trek has never done very well with prequel stuff and backtracking to explain things from older shows/episodes, lol

like there was an interview with Marina Sirtis the other day

where she not only went on about how "she didn't even watch discovery because she doesn't think she personally should have to pay for star trek stuff", but also said that she didn't think ds9 or voyager even counted and that the only "good trek" was tng

flashbacks to The Chase

then a few days ago interview where she was waxing on about how offended she was she wasn't asked to be in the new picard show, and I'm just like

yeah I wonder why

oh hey you know what triggers this whole complex and what I hate more about the star trek franchise than anything else? TNG elitists lmao

Marina Sirtis is apparently one of them!

those people have been fucking insufferable for DECADES

me: lady, your character turned into a fucking fish

calm your ass down about how perfect TNG was

hot take: picard is a shitty captain with terrible morals

LOL

a quick check: picard's new show is in 2399, which I think I THINK is 20 years after tng?

maybe?

people get so weird about star trek, it's like people who argue over if star wars or star trek or better and you're not allowed to like both

like ???? no, but ok you stay that way i guess

lol right

true opinion: ben sisko is the best captain.

janeway is a sociopath

I have no real opinion on kirk

the discovery captain is a bad captain but welcome to half the plot of the show

lmao yeah ^

there's loads of shit in all the incarnations and good stuff too, but the fucking superiority complex certain fans get towards other shows because they think they like The Right One is fckin wild

right, like...I like sisko best, but that doesn't mean he's the be all end of best captain ever. at most it means I watched ds9 the most

I don't even bother to rank Archer.

I grew up watching Voyager with my Dad, so i have fond memories of that one

that's the biggest credit I have to give to the new movies actually, despite the movies themselves reeking of being Too Cool For That Lame Sixties Shit, I've seen very little of that attitude from the actual fandom

it was the one thing we both had that was special for us

though watching it more recently...

it all just comes back to gatekeeping nerds tbqh

I enjoyed janeway's appearance in...nemesis? Or...yeah, I think nemesis.

...maybe?

the fact that I can't remember probably says a lot about my recall of that movie.

I grew up watching TNG

TNG reruns with my dad was our Thing

I grew up on tng, but liked ds9 the most. Buuuuut I am 100% positive that can be attributed to the fact I thought dr bashir was hot.

sdfjks

you are super valid

I mean.

i think star trek fans need to just... deal lol it's like when you start watching doctor who, you have "your doctor" people are going to have favourite star trek series and none are superior to others

an opinion only slightly dampered by this outfit

vertices: valid. for a long time I only liked five, but that was because that's all my local pbs showed

Nine is where it's at yo

nine is my doctor, i love him

YES

but we've all got our doctors, like we've all got our preferred star trek series

(I will admit that a few aspects of trek's future confuse me. Such as why everyone's so hot for 19th century literature and why sisko's favorite game is baseball, which even the show states no one has literally played for 300 years(

the movies got me into star trek, but i enjoy TOS and i'm slowly working my way through... everything lol

I grew up watching TNG too, those reruns were on constantly when I was a kid... but I'm going through DS9 right now and I LOVE it so

....though I suppose it's likely that "everyone is so hot for 19th century literature" for the very simple reason "we don't have to pay for copyright"

my takeaway here is we should kill JJ Abrams but keep the nuFans, and keep TNG but kill the Picard stans

I think that's where I stand

we should punch jj abrams right in his "I created these tv shows that are clearly produced by other people and yet somehow my name is on the top of the creator list" face

jj abrams is a butthole

"I made fringe!" no you didn't you dillweed

everyone can be in the star trek club except the people whose names are jj abrams

sounds good to me

yess.

and maybe marina sirtis

who is currently all "If you like tng watch the orville. by the way, I'm not on the orville."

*now

oh god

I'm gonna fight marina sirtis

I say this as someone who did enjoy the episodes of the orville I saw:

nothing has gotten me less interested in the orville than people telling me it's good because it's like something else.

like, I literally stopped watching it

it's /fine/, and the ones I've seen are goodish, but my god.

i thought the orville was fun, but it was too heavy handed with a lot of its topics and i just really don't buy seth mcfarlane as a lead

the number of people telling me I should watch the Orville when it came out pretty much guaranteed that I will never watch the Orville

(also while it does have seth mcfarlane, somehow they must've done what american dad did and somehow put some sort of 'stop it, seth. STOP IT SETH' restraints on him, because he's not as SETH MCFARLANE as he is on family guy.)

and some of the acting is only so-so

I'm sorry why would I watch the Orville when I can instead watch the very best Star Trek movie, Galaxy Quest??

i think it could do with better writing and better direction imo but i didn't hate it

i liked discovery a lot more

discovery takes a BIT of time to get into

butit is worth it

like...mid-season, I think? That's where it really started clicking for me.

that headline gave me leprosy

but that's also where they started doing Their Own Thing, I think and not Trying To Reconcile The Plot With Canon

the best trek, I think, is when they aren't trying so damn hard.

/is also trying not to be spoilerly

it's hard to not be spoilery and sell discovery

but it was a wild ride in the second half

i was a little be meh on it up until the mid season shake up

y, I almost want to say skip everything til mid-season but

then I guess you'd be confused af

"WHO ARE ALL THESE PEOPLE??

it does build up to that final reveal

most of the discovery cast doesn't even show up til episode /four/

which is just...so weird

lol omg you're right

like, episode 1 and maybe 2 AREN'T EVEN ON THE DISCOVERY

which is like if you started voyager on the enterprise

LOL yeah omfg, you're right

you spend so much time with people that for the most part you will never see again

I don't think any Trek show does that, except maybe voyager's original crew, maybe?

man, i knew that happened but it's different when someone writes it out like that lmao

Right?

when you actually read the discovery episode guide or someone tells you an episode's tv guide summary, it's like "...wait, really?"

like "The discovery finds a space whale with a secret." By no means UNTRUE but also WHAT

it's a wild ride, that's for damn sure and that's why i liked it so much. it had giant tardigrades, spore travel, space whales and time loops?? why not!

and the mirror universe!

I thought the Klingon side plot was a little bit boring imo but Space whales kinda make up for it lol

y, I couldn't get into the klingon plot til the last few eps, but mary wiseman being super geek about tng klingon lore off screen makes me feel like it's prob going towards a good place in season 2

...I have the wrong actress name. FFS self.

Mary chieffo, that's who I mean.

I figure they have something up their sleeve with it but it was more or less meh for most of the season up until the end

I liked ash a lot, then I didn't and then? I did again. so...kudos to that, show I guess?

Haha yeah, I went through those exact emotions too lol I hope they bring him back. The real Ash because him and Michael were so cute

I hope so too, y.

His storyline was not at all what I expected it was going to be.

Oh my god, no. Not even a little bit lol it took a real hard left and that’s why I enjoyed Disco so much

Yyy