ᚠᚱᛖᛃᚨ
5 years ago
do you ever think about how time is a social construct?
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ᚠᚱᛖᛃᚨ
5 years ago
I say this all the time and people mostly laugh at me, but I mean it
vex appeal
5 years ago
Yes
ᚠᚱᛖᛃᚨ
5 years ago
all this "end of the decade" stuff has me ruminating a bit more, because it doesn't matter if the decade begins in 2020 or 2021 because decades aren't real
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vex appeal
5 years ago
Yes, it's true
ᚠᚱᛖᛃᚨ
5 years ago
at the turn of the century in 1800 what percentage of the world do you think experienced that as the turn of the century?
ᚠᚱᛖᛃᚨ
5 years ago
absolutely nobody: alex what's your favorite nineteenth century invention?
me: time
fig stew.
5 years ago
yes, all the time
yes
ᚠᚱᛖᛃᚨ
5 years ago
there's a semi-famous essay about how time was the essential ingredient of capitalism vis a vis the english industrial revolution
ᚠᚱᛖᛃᚨ
5 years ago
precise timekeeping is an essential ingredient of wage labor, but the issue is bigger than that
ᚠᚱᛖᛃᚨ
5 years ago
time zones were only invented in the late 1800s
snips
5 years ago
yes
ᚠᚱᛖᛃᚨ
5 years ago
the idea of standard time became necessary because of railroad travel but before then all the clocks in a given town were set to local solar noon
ᚠᚱᛖᛃᚨ
5 years ago
every settlement was in essence its own timezone, and most people did not have watches because those were only cheaply mass produced later in the century
MRS SEPHIROTH
5 years ago
time is fake is one of my fave things I tell people
ᚠᚱᛖᛃᚨ
5 years ago
it is wild to think we have never experienced the same noon as people 150 years ago, because thanks this thing that people of the past did to time, we take it as a standard
ᚠᚱᛖᛃᚨ
5 years ago
and it is
Gemini
5 years ago
I was like but look how old I am but I am here for your point about decades .fuck that shit.
ᚠᚱᛖᛃᚨ
5 years ago
colonialism of the 19th century didn't bring industrialization to the non-western world but it did bring watches and hours
6LilacMimeLions
5 years ago
time and distance are both fake, only interval is real
big nui
5 years ago
yes
big nui
5 years ago
there's an article that ties into that capitalistic individual responsibility using that idea. now i wanna dig it up again.
ᚠᚱᛖᛃᚨ
5 years ago @Edit 5 years ago
hell january 1, 1800 in france was 11 nîvose year ix
Gemini
5 years ago
I am not drunk enough for this
big nui
5 years ago
there's also a chapter in one of the books i was reading about how utilization of language as individual objects feeds into the capitalistic agenda, contrary to some lost indigenous languages that see language as relationships rather than objects.
big nui
5 years ago
which is somewhat related.
ᚠᚱᛖᛃᚨ
5 years ago
but you can see by the fact of calendar reform in france and elsewhere (our current gregorian calendar is a counter-reformation refinement) that reckoning with time was understood as an essential tool of the state
ᚠᚱᛖᛃᚨ
5 years ago
see also: france's slowness to adopt GMT
ᚠᚱᛖᛃᚨ
5 years ago
I don't wanna go down the Sapir-Whorf road I don't language enough for that
ᚠᚱᛖᛃᚨ
5 years ago
But the standardization of units of time and the easy access to those units via watches, phones, clocks, all synced together as part of a gigantic global paradigm, is really something
MRS SEPHIROTH
5 years ago
I heard finland is introduced a four week workday
ᚠᚱᛖᛃᚨ
5 years ago
It's not as though other ways of reckoning time don't have their own obvious ideological agenda— e.g. imperial china numbering the years from the beginning of the emperor's reign
Gemini
5 years ago
yeah it's like...4700-something in China technically and I'm so here for that
ᚠᚱᛖᛃᚨ
5 years ago
in 1873 (meiji 6) japan introduced the gregorian calendar via imperial edict— they didn't have a 7 day week before
Gemini
5 years ago
even under the modern regime they still make that notation
Gemini
5 years ago
hnnngh yes Japan...reasons why their days are named for elements and the months are literally first month, second month, etc.
ᚠᚱᛖᛃᚨ
5 years ago
this was part of the wider "modernization" program that japan was undertaking at the time but also it was a way of not having to pay their state bureaucrats for an extra month because they changed when the new year would happen, thus staving up bankruptcy
ᚠᚱᛖᛃᚨ
5 years ago
still imagine being told by the government that in one month, we're changing time
y u p
ᚠᚱᛖᛃᚨ
5 years ago
completely!! there is now a six day week and the new year will happen in 200 days instead of 356
frequently I think about this but also in the sense that when you get too far everything is a construct so then I shrug and get on with it
6LilacMimeLions
5 years ago
we flip time twice a year
ᚠᚱᛖᛃᚨ
5 years ago
not in arizona
ᚠᚱᛖᛃᚨ
5 years ago
but anyway of course periodization is the eternal struggle of the historian
ᚠᚱᛖᛃᚨ
5 years ago
what is the nineteenth century? if you accept that centuries are an illusion what does the period then become?
ᚠᚱᛖᛃᚨ
5 years ago
some people will tell you that it was 1789-1914
ᚠᚱᛖᛃᚨ
5 years ago
& you can make an argument
ᚠᚱᛖᛃᚨ
5 years ago
but the essential struggle of periodization is that it forces things to happen in order instead of simultaneously— which is why you need a universal system of dates
ᚠᚱᛖᛃᚨ
5 years ago
who wants to work out what day it was in pre-revolutionary russia vs the rest of europe??
ᚠᚱᛖᛃᚨ
5 years ago
is russia a part of europe?? time is fake, qed.
ᚠᚱᛖᛃᚨ
5 years ago
anyway people who are still reading this plurk should tell me what their fav 19th century invention is
ᚠᚱᛖᛃᚨ
5 years ago
(and/or your definition of 19th century)
6LilacMimeLions
5 years ago
do the maxwell equations count as an invention
ᚠᚱᛖᛃᚨ
5 years ago
do they?
GW Wolf says
5 years ago
America. It went from being considered a temporary thing that would be absorbed again by the Empire to a nation the rest of the world considered might be here to stay.
GW Wolf says
5 years ago
I love studying the social constructs of how things are seen from the outside.
ᚠᚱᛖᛃᚨ
5 years ago
You could also argue that the US was really "invented" in 1865
Gemini
5 years ago
I don't know things that were invented in the 1800s alas
GW Wolf says
5 years ago
lightfellows: Yep.
Gemini
5 years ago
I know fashion by period
ᚠᚱᛖᛃᚨ
5 years ago
mauve
Gemini
5 years ago
mauve
ᚠᚱᛖᛃᚨ
5 years ago
that's an invention for you
Gemini
5 years ago
true, there were a number of color dyes invented in the 1800s to satisfy Victorian tastes, let's go with that.
Lassarina
5 years ago
Jane Austen
constantly
the telegraph!
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