you probably are underestimating exactly how dumb

that was a general you but let me give y'all a rundown

the human torch canonically killed hitler, except then later there was a clone hitler who showed up in a fantastic four comic

now there are just a bunch of clone hitlers roaming the marvel universe at large

there was a storyline where non-clone hitler, inspired by wagner's operas, got (time travelling??) doctor doom to build a machine to summon thor

didn't we buy that with roni

who, being unwise in the ways of mortals, became a nazi for a while not understanding what that actually meant, and then wiped this entire incident from everybody's minds to explain why when the avengers pulled captain america out of the ice he didn't immediately go "ah yes, the very confused blond man with a hammer, I remember you"

when did thor get memory wiping powers?? only for this specific story

which would probably just die totally if it weren't for alex ross having a weird desire to paint nazi thor on variant covers

then, there's all of the vampires

is jackie still a vampire? i'm not sure?? what's a little light vampirism among allies??

weirdly a huge chunk invaders supervillains besides the racist dragon lady stereotypes are american/british/atlantean defectors and not actual germans, i'm not sure why that is

nazi panty raiding

nazi panty raiding

there's a subsection of better ww2 marvel comics in the howling commandos vein, but even that was a weird racially integrated special forces unit that also had british members

it's otoh nice that there are plenty of stories to point to that say "ah, actually, captain america had no problems with homosexuality, look at this story of him rescuing queer people unhesitatingly & affirmingly from concentration camps"

but otoh, you know it's something retroactively inserted mostly to make a character marvel will never portray as anything other than straight & white a more perfect and pure moral paragon

mixed feelings, see also: that story about bucky barnes protesting japanese internment

yeah honestly the movie having the howling commandos as a racially integrated unit made me go

?????

gabe is 616 canon

no I get that, see above

the comic book howling commandos are pretty different from the movie version (mostly because nick fury is their leader and also white) but yeah, they were designed that way, which is cool but also

>looks at racial depictions in the original 1940s timely comics

(but also then oops having a bunch of african-americans they experimented on WHICH IS ALSO HISTORICALLY ACCURATE but uh)

plus in the comics there are team-ups between steve and t'chaka

except for that one time in black panther he fought the black panther at the time (who was never named iirc) :v just because he was in wakanda chasing hydra and

you know, wakanda

oh man I forgot the thor plotline also involves joseph stalin

because why?? not???

anyway originally the black panther from ww2 was t'chaka, but they had to retcon it since sliding timescale

ofc

another thing that makes marvel ww2 so strange

anyway the invaders also did have a canonically gay member, union jack… too bad he's like the only one not alive at the moment

surely a coincidence??

well someone had to be dramatically thrown off a helicopter

which I feel has happened a lot to Union Jack

man let's also not forget his lover, dyna-mite, who had shrinking powers

which is perfect for any number of bakerstreet memes

anyway kadath did you read the most recent invaders series?

the overaching theme was "charles xavier is a jerk"

always a good theme, but no, i haven't read it

do you know how long it took to get rid of that ant-man

don't encourage the micro fetishes

I thought the Ant-Man wanted het??

well yes but

same general idea

with the shrinking

kadath: it was probably the best invaders run… possibly ever, but that's 100% damning with faint praise

yeah not a bar i'd brag about clearing, but that's good to hear

though when I reread it all at once I think it was better than in serial

there's a sue storm/bucky teamup

punching waaaaay above your weight class there, bucky-boy

also a LOT of Namor continuity, it's incredibly Namor-centric

oh well that's probably why it's the best invaders series

it's a team-up, Namor has gone kooky again but he's like "I'll talk to Bucky"

and Bucky, realizing he probably needs backup, decides Sue Storm is probably the best person for a berserk Namor scenario

she is the best at making him sit the fuck down

anyway if you ever thought "people should reference the 90s namor series more" that's the invaders comic for you

i mean
it started strong

and then went Full 90s when byrne left

namor pls

also a whole issue dedicated to hobo namor

homage to the classics

but now we know it was all charles xavier's fault

is hobo namor xavier's greatest gift to the marvel universe??

anyway i'm not sure if this is a sales pitch or not