believe all women obvs, but like from what i've seen this isn't fucking pedophilia or whatever unless some other evidence is brought to light

he has a normal interaction with a fan when she's 17 (and eleven months), wishes her happy birthday at 18, and then bangs her at 22

like uhhhh

stupid fucking dick move, not pedophilia, maybe just don't ever fucking sleep with your fans, ever

the post said there's other victims tho so

i mean it'd be just pretty fuckin awesome if there were more SA/grooming victims in the world and also if i lost all faith in cis men

yeah I'm like. this isnt really pedo shit and they are basically all adults making adult decisions, but also maybe don't pursue fans that younger than you

just don't pursue fans! just don't fucking do it!

if this is all that's happened then i don't think this is something he should be cancelled for, but he should be called out for it

yeah, I think that's where I'm landing

gross behavior, but not capital u Unforgiveable

Eh, the age gap alone makes me super uncomfy. there's an almost, what? 20 year difference?

I think a looooooot of people forget how old Dan is

to say nothing of the inherent power dynamic (not as bad as someone in a position of true authority like a cop or a teacher but it's still there)

no this all happened eight years ago, the age gap was something like 12 years

still bad but not 20 years bad

there's a summary on reddit and apparently the "victim" herself said that it wasn't illegal, just kind of an abuse of power

this isn't a 40 year old guy chatting with a 17 year old

but for real, just! never fucking! sleep with your fans! just literally don't ever do it holy fucking shit

also apparently the person who broke the story is someone who's reddit account has only ever existed on r/rantgrumps, which is the grumps hate subreddit

it's sounding like this is just some stupid fucking abuse of power bullshit which still fucking sucks but that's a far cry from pedophilia/SA

I've come to a similar place, pen

It sounds skeevy, definitely uncool, but ultimately it's not illegal and while we should make with all reasonable derision, it's not pedophilia, it's just..... a dick move.

And that really sucks for the girl, he definitely shouldn't have involved himself with her, but.....y'know.

exactly

but then again we still don't know anything, and there was word about other women, so

i'm just very tired

yeah i get that

I can't possibly venture an opinion on the relationship problems and sex lives of people I do know, let alone folks who are strangers to me. And I don't really want to? I do want to know if someone's a rapist or has committed sexual assault or something, because I'm not super into supporting people who do that sort of thing

It’s scummy but it’s honestly not unexpected. Dan has always glamorized rockstar life and one night stands

But if two consenting adults have sex and then one ghosts the other and they're super bummed and everyone wants to know about it, isn't that just someone else's celebrity gossip

I don’t think he’s a rapist or a groomer or anything people are blowing it up to be. He’s just a dude doing typical hook up shit.

I agree tbh. I think this incident in particular highlights the problems with parasocial relationships, which is a conversation that keeps happening every time something like this happens but never seems to go anywhere.

^that exactly!

i'm so fucking TIRED of seeing this exact same thing happen a billion times over with worse versions and better versions

i'm still coming to terms with finding out ryan haywood was as fucking shit as he was

ah yes another thing that isn't actually pedophilia being labeled as pedophilia

^that also

it's fucking infuriating, people will call anything pedophilia these days

oh you're shipping these characters and one of them is 40 and the other is 50? ur a pedo lol

get fucked

and claiming short characters are ~child coded~ has been driving me batshit lately

or naive/inexperienced characters

Somewhat tangential but the overuse of "pedophilia" as an outrage-generator and "anti" cause celebre also helps feed bullshit like QAnon

Kilderkin on Twitter welp

fucking yikes

CALLLLED ITTTT

While I haven't watched the Grumps in a few years and would not have been unduly shocked had the accusations NOT been fabricated? I had a fucking feeling.

woah, damn

Don't see that every day

A General Timeline with the Drama that ensued (with ... this post is pretty even-handed in dealing with this set of accusations at least

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME

that's pure fucking evil what the FUCK

why would you muddy the waters for real victims of this shit! what the fuck!

wait i read the full twitter thread and apparently the original poster hasn't recanted, the person who spread it on twitter said they shouldn't have jumped to conclusions

/nod

ugh