Roach
4 years ago
[DC Comics] every once in a while i'm reminded that the future timeline bart came from was wiped out and it just hits me like a freight train
latest #44
Roach
4 years ago
like, technically Bart's mom and great grandparents (as he knew them) are dead or erased from time, and that just...never gets addressed.
Roach
4 years ago
It's also possible that the version of Thad we get in Flash FMA is a Thad from a different timeline since it's insinuated Thad went back to his future, which got erased. But then again he kept cropping up in background shots in the in between so maybe he came back to the past before that happened.
Roach
4 years ago
-shrugs-
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Throck
4 years ago
Actually in Legion of 3 worlds they did some dumb handwave of he and Jenni being from the silver age legion timeline and that when they went to the "past" they did interdimensional travel to the wrong past (which shifted and became the silver age legion's past)
Throck
4 years ago
They basically retconned them and their loved ones into the silver age legion's future
Throck
4 years ago
but it's definitely a big retcon that's just sort of magical handwavium that doesn't match the actual history we know of them
Roach
4 years ago
....that is...SO dumb. and incredibly lazy. god damn. and to think they could have just not deleted that time line and saved themselves the trouble of bending over backwards like that.
Roach
4 years ago
it feels like it had no impact other then making that legion homeless
Roach
4 years ago
I am glad Meloni is still alive at least.
Roach
4 years ago
No more dead moms pls
Roach
4 years ago
geoff johns can't have her
Throck
4 years ago
It was all that stupid silver age nostalgia
Throck
4 years ago
reboot legion, whether people like johns liked it not, was the legion that was active from post-COIE for yeeears
Throck
4 years ago
if it was to be rebooted at all it should've only been rebooted if the whole universe was
Throck
4 years ago
and tbh I think the flashpoint nu52 reboot was dumb and if they did it all it should've been treated like the old universe was still just going on existing and that any reboots were us "Viewing" a new universe.
Throck
4 years ago
but imo I think all the reboots killed the entire publishing arm, alongside just a natural bleed off of print publishing. They should've gone purely digital and baled on diamond ages before recently
Throck
4 years ago
though I will say if I ever EVER had a shot of doing some kind of DC book, ever, (which is unlikely given they're just...failing) I would've done an Exiles style dimension-hopping story about the reboot legion traveling the multiverse trying to find other lost people that fell through the dimensional cracks, and a universe like their own to settle down in
Throck
4 years ago
as it stands me and kaylin worked that into our villain school story where it's the background of the two future characters
Throck
4 years ago
but they created that situation just to send the reboot legion off on a bus and do nothing with them
Throck
4 years ago
the whole way they handled the future was a mess.
Throck
4 years ago
given how many characters had backstories that relied on it they should never have touched it
Roach
4 years ago
They really shouldn't have, and I agree the multiple reboots and universe altering crisis have really been the death of DC comics for me. I just can't bring myself to care about characters anymore because none of them stick around or stay the same character for very long. And the shit they pulled with the Legion was just particularly egregious.
Roach
4 years ago
I like your idea for what they should have done with the Legion. That would have been a really fun book, and it's what they were essentially saying was going to happen with them, but then they just drop out of existence for the most part.
Roach
4 years ago
The last two (three?) Legion books have been SUCH a mess.
Roach
4 years ago
I would argue threeboot wasn't great either, but I think that was more of a personal preference thing. I know there were a lot of people that liked that one.
Throck
4 years ago
I hated threeboot. I get people liked the rebel idea but imo it goes against the whole point
Throck
4 years ago
They sort of railed against adults as if they were this all consuming evil force
Throck
4 years ago @Edit 4 years ago
reboot legion frequently rebelled against and even overthrow unjust UP government stuff. They were already rebels against corruption
Throck
4 years ago @Edit 4 years ago
It's just they actually tried to represent an ideal and threeboot only had the rebel part when they were usually aspirational heroes like Superman that already DID rebel stuff when needed
Roach
4 years ago
I wish if they did drop timelines they would just leave them be like you said. Just move to focusing on a different universe. That seems like it would be the easiest way to deal with things and if the new verse doesn't work out they could easily go back to focusing on stuff from the old one. Instead of the mess that Nu52 became.
Throck
4 years ago
Yeah that's also a less depressing end than the versions fans knew ceasing to exist
Throck
4 years ago
Having the timeline change and blipping out of existence is just death
Throck
4 years ago
The new ones were entirely different people
Roach
4 years ago
That was my issue with Threeboot, too.
Roach
4 years ago
Yeah. I basically dropped DC after Nu52 with the exception of a few books like Vibe (because I loved Sterling Gates and what he did with the KID Flash mini, and wanted him to get more books, plus Vibe is just a good character). But like, I didn't care about 90% of these new characters, so why should I buy their books?
Roach
4 years ago
Also, that's cool you guys worked that in to your book! The villain school book sounds so good. That's like right in my wheel house of stuff I love.
Throck
4 years ago
and it wasn't 100% reboots of the characters like Cassie Sandsmark and the new Kid Flash were totally different people
Throck
4 years ago
Instead of bart, the kid flash was likes some future criminal
Roach
4 years ago
Yeeaaah. Bar-Tor sure was...SOMETHING. The fact that they still keep trying to make him redeemable without doing the work and being "no really, he's cool, and still technically around". I'm just like "IS HE?! And does he still HAVE to be around?" I'm sur ethe right writer could do something cool with him, but odd of that happening feel slim.
Roach
4 years ago
I will say I've liked the two latest Flash writers. They've been doing really good. But they also keep having to clean up the messes of other people that get their hands on the Flash family.
Roach
4 years ago
And I swear you can sometimes hear the writer pointedly sighing behind the scenes in the dialog.
Roach
4 years ago
The dude who brought back Bart in the Flash comics just straight up ignored everything Bendis did with Bart's "history" in Young Justice (he just flubbed that SO bad, it made no sense, there was no working with that or fixing it).
oozecat
4 years ago
I always say that Bart isn't really sure whether he has a future to return to but it doesn't exactly matter to him, either. All his stuff is in the current timeline.
oozecat
4 years ago
IE even BART gets headaches trying to make sense of all the shit he remembers perfectly because he's temporally resistant. But he knows things keep shifting around.
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