anyway it'll be good for keeping track of things
commentary plurks Fun
instead of tags I am also back on my Chuubo's bullshit thinking about how Shin's canon arc is an almost text book chef's kiss Green/Otherworldly arc
and so trying to horoscope which arc he is on in Yogen again, which is naturally messier and self indulgent bc Yogen is not Chuubos
what does that mean it sounds neat
hehehe okay so Chuubos has like
an eight-colour thematic system which is why my enneagram loving brain is like 'this hole was made for meeee'
Blue/Bindings: Methodical reasoning/professional work, dealing with the forbidden, wicked or tabu, binding things to your service, exploration and investigation. Represented by Gears.
Orange/Knight: Heroics, Struggles, Personal Flaws and (trying to) overcome them, Taking on a role or persona and influencing/leading others with it, Hiding your true feelings, Being in danger or trouble.
Red/Melodramatic: Being dramatically lit and dramatic in general, being larger than life, being a Little Meta, reacting to the world and treating it like a story, being a story and nudging the stories of others, sticking your oar in things
Yellow/Aspect: Passion, obsession, gothic brooding, going over the top, physical and mental training, being The Best, Overpowered or Just Cool, but having a flaw to it, difficulty with social navigation, facing and overcoming your problems head on
(Represented by a Sword, a Heart, and a Flame respectively, before I forget)
oh oh my god... this is so cool.. hello... sets up camp here
Green/Otherwordly: Duality, going back and forth between states, transformation, corruption, the self being "taken over", temptation, wickedness and vice, sickness both physical and mental and spiritual experiences and connection to a place or element of the world.
And retrieving something from those experiences. Represented by a snake and an apple bc of course
looks at... sidney and shins cr about shin learning to be brave without self-martyring............. inch resting
yeeeeep. it's very easy for green to tip that way, esp with the recurring thematic with shin of symbolic self-death. he's having to learn to find that place between the dualities with sidney
yeah!! this is so cool owo what are the others?
one of the lines in the description for green is "You fly from your body. You become one with storms or forests. You are eaten and torn apart by spirits, only to come back with medicine. "
Green/Otherworldly is also why i make jokes about shin turning into a wisteria tree but i'll get into that later after i've done this bc it needs context
ANYWAY, THE OTHER COLOURS
Purple/Shepard: Reaching out to others and connecting to them, often through some activity or shared experience. The powers of sentiment and friendship. Found family. Honest, rewarding work. Guiding and teaching others and helping them unlock their potential. On the darker side: control, surveillance and manipulation of the things you love.
Silver/Emptiness: Day to day living with a curse or disability. Quiet small moments. Scrapbook moments. The slow drift of clouds. The edges of trauma; the conversations with the hole at the center. It isn't necessarily bad; it can be soothing, quietly healing, or bittersweet.
Their symbols are a shepard's crook and a crescent moon with wings respectively. I got very self indulgent with a ref to that in a thread w Helena
And finally, the last one:
AMITY YOU UNLEASHED LINTS INSANITY
IT'S TRUE
YOU KNOW NOT WHAT YOU HAVE WROUGHT
i love it tho give us the arcs
Black/Mystic: One of the weirdest ones bc it's supposed to actively defy making sense of it. Trust, placing yourself into other hands esp the hands of higher powers. Being moved or changed by forces you don't understand or control. Events only interpretable through the use of symbols or ritual.
Events happening around you without a sense of having had any control or input in them. Apotheosis and transformation to a higher state of being.
If you've ever seen Serial Experiments Lain.... yeah.
The symbol is a falling star in a night sky
Oh, serendipity and luck also come under Black.
IF IVE UNLEASHED INSANITY, I WANT LINT-ASSIGNED ARCS FOR YOGEN CHARACTERS based on ur interpretation i just think it'd be Neat
hehehehe
well, I think Nene is very clearly on a Black/Mystic Arc
lemme call up the five stations for that and tell me what you think
"Black/Mystic:
Quest 1 is a confused and ominous time — it’s in the shadow of events to come...... and then there is a miracle. I think of that time as like a river seen through glass. It’s full of motion and darkness and there is beauty in it but you can’t see where it’s going until you’re there."
"Once the miracle strikes, you’re bound to some Principle — you’re giving yourself into the service of Love, or Justice, or Protection, or whatever."
"Quest 2 showcases a tempter, someone who wants to lure you from the path. An 'opposite number' with a fairly decent pitch.
Quest 3 is a rough, scary time of your life. Everything is confusion.
Quest 4 is about you falling off that path, falling into darkness. Quest 5 is about your creation of a new miracle yourself."
Keep in mind that quests 4 and 5 are optional when completing an ar, you can just do 1-3 and then call it.
Black/Mystic is interesting because it's kind of the 'colour pair' with Green/Otherworldly: both focus on symbolic experiences and the potential to end up transformed, but Green is more internally focused and Black is more externally focused I think.
This is admittedly very much based on her canon, but the recent thing with Steph does make me confident it's a very solid core of Nene's character
hehehe seems like i'm on the mark
i think so!!!
Sidney is trickier to pin down because I think he's at a transition point: He has a history of Orange and I think he's in a bit of a shift to Silver. (He also has elements of Purple, but not enough to constitute a whole arc, sorry Sidney)
Him talking about the role he'd taken up in the game is very much what makes me assign Orange for him in canon, but this is Yogen arcs, so let's have a look at Silver.
"Silver/Emptiness
Quest 1 explores how you live with what's happened/is happening.
Quest 2 explores your obsession with some person or problem.
Quest 3 puts you in an impossible situation and watches as you crack under the strain."
"Then optionally:
Quest 4, where you face a brooding presence of the unnatural and defeat, pacify or tame it.
Quest 5, where you find answers or reach closure on something."
Silver/Emptiness's colour pair is Yellow/Aspect: 'training to avoid your problems' focuses more on the training in Yellow and more on the problems in Silver
Rantaro I... unfortunately know less about what he's been up to so give me a second to spin it.
HELP even if it's not about ami i just like reading them to learn ngl
thank you for indulging me ;w;
hehehe that's fair
right now i've narrowed it down to Orange and Purple. He's a little too chill for Yellow. Red I'm on the fence about. Blue is... he's not quite enough of the detective-y type.
hey no worries anytime
as annie has implied, this is an Obession
not me sliding in to read the updates
omg... yessss im winning at this game bc those are the ones i was looking at for him too... validation
yesssss good that gives us some corroboration... we're on the right track
I think I might focus on Orange with his role being 'big brother', so lets have a look at the set for that
me looking at my own permanent ac now and wishing i'd given him real summaries help
dsfdgfhg pats u, it's okay
oooo watches!!
"Orange/Knight Arcs let you take on a formal role in society or the cosmos and wield its perquisites and powers.
Quest 1 is about figuring out what you want to be, or how you want to expand on that if you already know.
Quest 2 is about exploring the vice that gets in your way, the ways that whatever's stopping you from fully living up to it is doing that."
"Quest 3 is an experience that shakes up and challenges your role.
Quest 4 is about making up for your mistakes.
Quest 5 is about becoming something better than you were."
also while you're here nms want me to do komaeda
part of me is like 'oh god how do you type komaeda' and the other part is 'it's Black. Obviously. You dingus'. the principle is Hope :' )
NOT THE PRINCIPLE IS HOPE love that
NOT THEM WITH THE SAME ARCS....
YESSSS WHILE IM HERE SHOW ME THE LOREEE
but i see we're sitting in the 2/3 zone on this fine september/october of failures
chinhands as i peek at these wtf... they're so cute
lint is so cute "nms ur not getting away"
right i love it for u actually
fsdgfhghfgdf yeah
shows the versalitility of the arcs really
I SEE YOU NMS drags u into the light
I NEVER HEARD OF THESE so i started opening tabs i was like ooo what is lints interesting mind up to today
ME IVE GOT ALL THESE LIL DOCS UP NOW
i want u to know im putting that one comment on komaedas visuals sumn about its black obviously you dingus makes me crack up
oh yeah i should probably point out the colour pairs thing starts to break down around red/blue orange/purple so orange's colour pair? a mystery
stop we love it these things are soooo cool... i love learning lil categories like this they're so much fun
im linking mise my things i found in another tab we're going to learn like u
dfsdgfh two more people.... finally my masters degree in Chuubos is paying off
what are the little docs? : o
they're like little lists of quests!! for each of the colours

as examples i guess? yeah!!
oh!!! : D yess i forgot there's fan ones out there
the colour of the quest sets the tone of it overall and the symbols of the quest items also shows their vibes
one thing is that the colour of the quest doesn't have to match the colour of the overall arc this is something i did not realise for the longest time
the quest just has to fit into what's going on in the arc
also you can do arcs more than once, you get bennies for completing the quests in them and finishing them
THAT ASIDE
gonna talk about tree-shin before i forget/get distracted
OH MY GOD
this moodboard
touches it reverently
GIVE US TREE SHIN BEFORE U MAKE UR OWN MOODBOARD!!!!
i love that there's two 'i can fix him' posts
gfhghfgd i have a whole bookmark of tumblr posts that remind me of shin that i have just. not turned into a moodboard i'll do that sometime probably
so shin's canon is a complete Green/Otherworldly Arc which I'm just gonna... give the same quest summary for
"Green/Otherworldly
Quest 1: dreams and otherworldly experiences connect you to
some external power.
Quest 2: the path you’re on scares you; burdens you.
Quest 3: something is devouring you; growing inside you; taking you over."
"Quest 4: you’re lost to yourself. You’re not you any longer, but you might discover some part of yourself that hasn't changed.
Quest 5: you reconcile with someone or something you’ve been fighting"
he actually did all five the mad lad and the amazing thing is that it works out no matter which route you pick
please do a mood board actually i love reading them ill even give u my code (its enhs code but i steal it)
ooooh, flick me it in dms i am Interest
Quest 2: the path you’re on scares you; burdens you.
that one does sumn to my lil head
ok i got u ill pastebin it
yeeep. here's the full blurb for Quest 2:
"You’re on a scary or difficult path. Part of you is resisting—cling-ing to the way things used to be. Even if you’re on this path by choice, it’s scary, or hard, or against your natural way of thinking, or costing something you really hate having to give up."
"Afterwards: You release some of that. More of you accepts that you can’t go back."
(each quest has it's own little blurb but I didn't want to flood the character typing with too many words... but if you're interested in one of the ones detailed up there i'll give it)
one of the things Chuubo's does is it's powersets are connected to arcs. You complete an arc, you get some specific powers from the powerset.
There's three per colour, sorted by Immortal (you get conditional immortality while on this type), Frantic (you get willpower/mp from being in trouble) and Sickly (you can get willpower/mp by suffering from trauma/sickness/corruption)
so that means there's three Green powersets I could give Shin the 'completed one arc of this' powers from
Frantic Green/Spiritual can be ruled out right away, because it's about controlling/harnessing/listening to an element of the world and that... doesn't really suit him (despite that Frantic would be really useful to him)
Sickly Green/Called Away also doesn't really suit him because it's a powerset about being, well, called away to a strange other world to solve it's problems, only there's this weird figure in the background causing them who has suspicious thematic ties to you...
it's the kind of arc you'd give Kris Deltarune
in hindsight if you treat the death game as the other world and midori as the odd background figure, it does work a lot better, but I didn't think of that at the time :' )
That leaves Immortal Green aka Child of the Ash, which is a very interesting arc powerset bc so much of it is tied to a specific setting element.
At it's base, it's about being an element of the world, but not necessarily realising that yet at Arc 1. You can 'infect' an area with a mood (for shin, likely distrust), and also it's inverse (by changing something about your appearance). you have an alternate, monstrous form it's harder to transform back from than into.
the setting element here, the 'children of the Ash' are giant peaceful snakes born from the world-tree yggdrasil, that themselves represent parts of the world like mountain ranges or the motions of planets or fundamental concepts. that could, in theory, if cast out of reality form world-trees of their own.
anyway, you can see how it's not a perfect fit but very amusing looking at yogen like
- shin's hair colour and wisteria petals aren't too poor of a match given the 'glows blue at night' thing
- that one playing the tree in a school play nankidai tweet
- the prophetic dream about kazuki being his dad and having to kill him in the void
anyway this is a very long roundabout way of explaining my amusement thank you for listening
OH. and the moon association
oh right and the conditional immortality would probs be along the line of the protection of the name
dsfdgfhfg chuubo's is... there's a lot in it
anyway, lemme know if you want me to unpack similar things for nene and sidney, while i'm on a roll
i would love that honestly!! so if its not too much to ask... owo
hehehe okay, lets have a look... Black Arcs. this colour wasn't as much of a 'oh, that's it!' for nene as sidney on silver, so we'll see how well they do fit her
(also nms if you're still watching, komaeda is on Frantic Black/Prophet)
Immortal Black/Primordial involves you turning into/transforming into a physically symbolic representation of the Principle; for turning into some sublime force and this is how it translates.
it's described as 'artistic' as opposed to rational
Nene does have themes of transformation with her curse, but hm i don't know if turning into a primordial deity is on her calendar
... i mean... i did have a dream about her becoming a tender to a different soul tree after a few reincarnations.........
i am EXTREMELY eyes emoji about that
it was a few days ago and it felt??? a little much to share at the time, and now i dont remember a lot but i remember kazuki asking about her care and desire to save the dead in the tree, and asking something about making a kinder home for them in the future- because he didnt want to rob her of the next few itereations? so in life shed be someone else but
bc you know why :' )
i do like that actually yeah... becoming a symbolic entity with a role and panoply, becoming one of the school's (either school's) own mysterious figures
between deaths, she'd be Nene Yashiro and he'd be teaching her about soul trees and the like until it was time for her to take her role
it was very poetic and cinematic in my mind however

nene....... oh i love her
and he offered her a deal but i dont remember the deal but that was the Result
oh I do love that so much
the way i went to get food and im back now lemme READ MY SOAPS
NOT THE SYMBOLIC REPRESENTATION I LITERALLY GASPED ON CALL
this also works very nicely with Primordial because one of it's powers is that like... you have the you that is you... and then you have the you, elsewhere, that is that symbolic nebulous thing
so you're walking around and everything, but you are also The Sun
so you have Nene Yashiro, reincarnating soul, and The Tender Of The Tree Of Souls
(softly but with feeling) HOLY SHIT
hehehe let's see what else...
she's just kind of starting out, so lets say she's on Arc 0 of Primordial.
chinhands..... i only skimmed but fun stuff in here
- she's got a Principle or mood... something like growth, or trust, or kindness, the thing she serves by her actions
- her belief in that is so strong it creates a soft law of reality around her... which I'm betting is the nene beams
- she's transforming into something... and we already know what that is
- that transformation links her to an Element; the soul tree and plants of Yogen in general
hehehe this is very fun to do... i can try clamor and add (definitely Bindings) later
pls i wanna see your thoughts for everyone im FASCINATED
that's the baseline stuff... next, at Arc 0...
"You aren’t just a person. You aren’t just one lonely little body in the middle of nowhere not connecting to anything else.
You’re... well, part of your Element."
basically the plants and gardening tools and that whole part of Yogen is her and responds to her moods and thoughts
me like idk whats goin on but character arcs as a whole are my jam so like vibrates
yesssssss... it's a really fun mechanic for them
so the bushes might wilt a little if she's upset, or she might always have a tool to hand when she needs it
another possibility is that while she tends the plants, her actual Element is something else connected, like the rain etc; this would shift things accordingly
the secondary power at this stage is being able to move around in the element as a 'speck' and see what's inside it... but not very well outside it
so maybe it is water, to tie in that theme of hers? :' )
and that fits with the whole you need water to garden and also yogen not having any true rain.... yet :' )
(brb gotta make dinner real quick, i shall Return)
we've only had rain ONCE i want more rain >:U
we had rain once and it was like volcanic ash which is like. a you tried star :' )
oh no uhhh i think it was? june? we had a big storm for a few days!!
!!! ooooh, i have to check that out now
here are some future powers on Nene's arc
- being able to consume/digest anything
- have a meaningful, heartfelt conversation with someone about their experience of her principle and gain a small power/trinket/transformation representing that person's experience being held close to her heart
- that experience giving little insights into the person's life/circumstances, and if she focuses she can get a rough idea of where they are and their current level of her Principle/inverse of it
- later, it also helping her know what to do to increase it in them
- and using the rain/water to help them out, especially when they’re low on or need her Principle!
- in a situation where her Principle is missing or inverted and all seems lost, she can transform into something that with the power to tangibly inspire/invoke/summon it or devour it’s opposite
- create Tokens from instances of her Principle or Element that she can keep and use or give to others: basically turning them into trinkets like what you’d find in the student store
- later, unleash/release the raw power of a Token all at once.
man this is top quality interpretation and insight
this stuff is like catnip to me
want be to add ranger or midori to the list? : D
OKAY SO SIDNEY NOW
SILVER ARCS LETS GO
Starting at the opposite end we have Sickly Silver/Accursed. This is an arc about how the world sucks for you except for one place you retreat to when things get too bad... but which you can't stay forever in. It's about lashing out against that world, destroying parts of it, declaring yourself exempt from it both physically and mentally.
it's basically not a fun time all round, but at least you get the ability to delete things out of reality?
: D i'm gonna put a pin in that to describe the powers further later then. hot damn, i love that's such an instant fit
if i stop responding dw its bed time but im very excited
no worries amity <3 i'll give you a ping when done for perusal at your leisure
anyway, it's extremely add, but... not really sidney so let's head to Frantic Silver/Troubled
This is an arc about being connected to the world but still sort of holding it at arms length/standing outside a little due to what plagues you. Thereby having a foot in both, having a home in one and being drawn to the other, maybe having switched sides and (reluctantly) using the power of one against the other.
It's for people with an iconic Look and way they approach problems, people who are slippery and good at strategy or misdirection, tricksters, people with a reputation, information network or "old friends", maybe a fascination that's not good for them. and people who are dedicated to the world despite not fitting well into it
crying because i scrolled back to read more of this and
- the prophetic dream about kazuki being his dad and having to kill him in the void
NO STOP IM NOT ACTUALLY A PROPHET, IF THATS TRUE THEN THAT MEANS EDWARD KITTENHANDS IS ALSO REAL--
you put your glasses back on and accept edward kittenhands
if subaru solves all 9 of the hope month murders then we can start worrying about my prophetic abilities ok
im gonna make u worry about em
anyway wrestling my adhd from the rest of plurk and back onto this, it's not obviously a poor fit for sidney but hm. lemme look at the next one and compare
Immortal Silver/Indomitable is about being cool and strong and fearsome; where you have a curse but really that only makes you cooler. It's for vampire princes, fairy tale monsters, the kinds of heroes and villains you don't mess with and... wuxia cultivators? I'll take Jenna's word for it.
Basically if someone would warn a hero not to go messing with you unwisely... you're on Indomitable
Looking between the two of them... yeah, I think Sidney might be setting out on Troubled. Lets have a look at what that gets him at Arc 0.
(this also actually fits him previously being Orange; his role of protector is having to shift and change to accommodate what's been happening)
at baseline there's the Curse - this is what's messing up sidney's life currently. I'd say that this is the current sense of helplessness running through his life; the arm is like. very symbolically potent of it but also... not realising his husband got body-snatched, watching the people he loves increasingly Going Through It in general
and he has a Technique - a particular way he approaches problems. this is probably a bit of a 'watch this space', but some stuff from his old role might still carry over; that blocking and luring away of harm.
anyway the Arc 0 starter package is:
- stopping anything from Just Fixing your Curse. this is mostly like, a narrative defense bc the whole point of the arc is examining it
- people easily listening to and going along with you, esp if you invoke a position, title or authority. this probably ties into sidney's ability to calm and orient people in general
- and an Iconic Look, like you see him and go 'yep, that's Sidney'
Future things he might get on this arc!
- a narrative guarantee of the effectiveness of investigations and strategies. not guaranteed to succeed, but guaranteed to be effective
- tanking something and showing up a scene later perfectly fine, or later tanking it and then turning it back on the inflictor in some way
- being impossible to beat in a contest or test of his Technique, and doing better at it every time
- being able to work with even the most uncooperative or suspicious person, at the cost of a backlash if this alliance destroys them
- retroactively declaring something he was working on in the background has created an opportunity for him in this moment
- the ability to perfectly sabotage or hide things from view
this is an arc i'm tempted to say shin's on in yogen but... gotta resist the temptation
moving on... who's next... Rantaro!
hehehe let's have a look at the three Orange arcs
AHHH yes please give midori, i'm curious about trash man
hehehe i have.. already been having some thoughts on trash man so half the groundwork is there... but first, first
Immortal Orange/Allegory is... what it says on the tin! it's for characters that are more metaphor than character, that weave their way through history but play more of a psychological or mythological role in the stories of others, that are distinctive and yet, easy to lose in a crowd
they have their role, all knight arcs do, but they also have that thing that they, narratively, represent, that also keeps cropping up as the various troubles in obstacles in their life
this could be a good fit for amami! but let's look at the other contenders first
Frantic Knight/Become Somebody is about finding a niche and gently sweeping under the rug anything the world may have protests about it. No, I've always lived in this house. Yes i sure can do surgery, i put on this white coat right now.
it's for people who are trying, in some way, to fit in
it's about adapting, and how you relate to others around you, drawing them into your role or rejecting them from it, shouting it out loud to the world
it's a little too Frantic for Amami, I think.
SFDGFHGDFGFH
YES
i love this because now you've said it, it's canon
IT GOES A BIT BEYOND THE "CLAMOR" THING TO WHAT I HAVENT RLY TALKED ABOUT YET BUT..... yeah. redactedkun.
god, i love him... okay like add he's on the list to go more indepth about the powers on later
when u put it like that maybe the doppelarc isnt as disconnected from his backstory that i thought sighs
because i am Intrigued to see what happens on plugging him into that equation
:eyes emoji here: ohoh : D
--anyway back to amami ITS AMAMI'S TURN.
the last but not least is Sickly Knight/Persona
also called Star Quality, Persona is it's name in other works in this universe dwbi
this is an arc where you've got your idea of your place in the world and you're sort of roping the world into it with the strength of your convictions and sense of what's important; it's good for exuberant, flamboyant, larger-than-life characters who are unapologetically themselves
it's about having chutzpah and charisma and sharing experiences with others
that is, sharing your experience of the world with the rest of it, and being in tune with others who are on the same wavelength
it's the arc where people find themselves just doing better when they're doing something for you
Amami is a really cool dude, but I don't think he has quite this shounen protag level energy, so let's look at Allegory :' )
at baseline he gets
- Immortality, but with some kind of flaw or condition to it. Yogen gives a nice freebie of 'we're all dead already' but you know.
- a Role; this one's pretty easy! He's a big brother!
- his Failing; the concept he's a symbol of, the thing that keeps causing problems in his life. i'm thinking about how he's still looking for his sisters here, so i'm going to pencil in that he represents something along the lines of Distance, or maybe Travel
- a Truth. something that is just... absolutely true about him, enforced by universal law. is it that he musn't lose his temper? that he's geased to do something or have something happen to him?
maybe it's the affliction of his amnesia
getting into the powers
this seems to not be his first time on the rodeo, so instead of guessing which arc number he's at, I'm just gonna list them
- the ability to blend in with with a crowd; it's hard for people to notice or recognize him if he doesn't want them to, or describe him later
- being able to retroactively declare he had personal experience with an event or something like it, or was actually there, or that, later, he's the one who was responsible for [insert past action or historical event here].... or at least that there's a fable or legend that he was.
- skill with (a usually iconic form of) transport or navigation slots right in
- powers revolving around bringing the world or something in it 'to life' using role or failing or whatever makes sense: animating objects, giving animals the ability to speak, making the local area brim with life or vitality or become that little more distant or risky
- his actions when in his role as big brother can go toe to toe with supernatural powers
- cursing someone! it transforms them into something that's a clear metaphor for either an expression of the Failing, or an intensification of their experience of that Failing
i don't know if someone rolling a natural 1 and turning into an explosion counts. i don't think so
there's usually some fun free-association on the target's part about their experience of that failing beforehand as well
- a distinctive skill or power that, when used, makes everyone go : O that's big brother rantaro, it can't be anyone else!
- a power that just... makes the world go fucking weird for a bit. afterwards the world tries to pretend that didn't happen, but while it's not happening, environmental harms can be waived, organizing people into unusual activities is easy, it's easy to move collections of objects around, fictional characters may visit and metaphors may become realised
probably a good way of visualising this is like. symbolic battles or imagine spots etc where it's clear that wasn't entirely diegetic but there was still some kind of effect bc it represented something
- a power that gives one amami's treasures or allies their own law-of-the-universe Truth by imbueing them with power
- a power that lets you take a quality someone has; could be their name, memories, personality, a power or skill, a treasured item, a position they hold. it can't be too big a bite out of them, but it's yours now.
i said he was Frantic Black i.e. Prophet and I am absolutely not wrong so lets pull it up
the prophet of hope sighs
he really isssss it fits way too well
this is going to be another 'he just keeps taking this arc' one so again, listing the powers in order of progression
first off, at baseline, he has a Principle that he serves and is empowered by, which is Hope, and it has it's antithesis; Despair
you're allowed to have more than one antithesis (up to four!) but we can safely leave it there for now, although maybe he's acquired a new one in yogen, who knows
- he can 'listen for the subtle voice of his principle' and do either what just Feels Right or for a little more effort something he wants to do using it, and that action is effective, advances hope's goals, is what hope 'wants', and inflicts backlash against the first antithesis it comes across and then mutual backlash against the second
if he keeps this up for a long enough time ("a chapter") he can say it was all building up towards a historical moment or significant event/celebration for hope
i already foresee hope ceasing to look like a word, but that is a casualty of komaeda
- then there's the 'close your eyes and walk across the road with a cricket' power; basically asking your principle to solve a problem in front of you in a way it sees fit. the chance and probability fuckery starts at Arc 2 and only increases in scope from there
- there's a lot of powers centered around finding and drawing from concentrations of the Principle; items, places, people, in order to perform impressive feats, and one that strengthens the Principle in a place by giving it a related metaphysical property
- if Komaeda listens to someone's concerns about hope or concerns in general, he can either give them some hope-related advice that'll turn out to actually help them and his own life will get more mysterious for a bit, or their life will get a bit more mysterious for a bit
- hearing komaeda talk about hope or remembering him talk about hope can empower them if they really have taken it to heart
- if someone betrays hope, komaeda can make an ominous warning and if they don't repent within a certain time frame, a terrible curse will befall them, and there's an expansion where it's more 'if this continues, good/bad thing will happen, for this group/area/person thing'. the curse is usually something to do with the symbolism of the mysterious warning
me just sitting here reading with popcorn
- a power that basically ensures komaeda will never not be involved in hope-related stuff that could use his attention
dsfdg hi mira want me to do helena real quick
yes good pleas pet cat from me
BRO THE WAY I GASPED HOW SPOT ON THIS KINDA IS HAS ME SHAKING
i know jenna the author has seen kingdom hearts and i am starting to wonder if she has seen dangan ronpa
lessee... helena. colours first
right away we can rule out green
red, yellow and black quickly follow
purple... I think she has elements of it but it's not her whole arc
orange... while she's keeping a lot of her true feelings on lock, how much of her story revolves around a role?
silver... i could see it. the curse would probably be 'being seen as weak'
blue... it suits her methodical, detectivey nature! she also is like. the gym leader of the ethics club and that's definitely 'working with or binding dangerous/wicked forces'
it's possible she was silver, and now is more blue in yogen
lets see if the arcs bear this out
the gym leader is killing me
you know she's right at the back with the full six pokemon slots
you get through like add and dito and then there she is
exactly. you're already a little roughed up and then oh no
let's see... starting with Sickly Blue/Wounded Angel
this is an arc for people with something terrible inside them, that if they're not careful, or get too hurt, it'll come out and cause horrible things to happen. it's an arc from people who draw power from their wounds, who try to help others who are also wounded or abandoned, who tried to be good people and didn't quite make it but are still trying
it's a very compelling arc! but it's not helena. let's move on
Gatecrasher involves discovering or opening your eyes to a whole new secret world, right under everyone's noses. Maybe it's the secret world of underground boxing matches, or pet rock battles, or martial arts schools rivalries or cryptid hunters, or cultivators. Either way there's a community here, with it's own culture and rankings... and powers
as the name suggests, you come in there and you... start shaking things up a bit, because you're unusual in some way. you're the protag. maybe you're faking it, or fake yourself. maybe you're doing something nobody ever thought of, because they never had to. that sort of thing
let's try Immortal Blue/Gatekeeper
This is for characters who are acting as an intermediary between the ordinary world, and some harmful or malevolent or just alien other, trying to find ways to learn about them, trap them, bind them or safely integrate them into the world... and who, just a bit, haven't noticed an enemy in their circle of friends or still want to trust them anyway
Lucifer probably has this one, actually
looks at the blurb for sickle blue/wounded angel..... sighs i dont even know this system and u made me fall in love with it now its living rent free in my brain. thinks about how this one feels kinda like a future-arc for add tho, he kinda went through something similar in the last game i played him....
add when he recovers from his bullshit enough to try and be better and help ppl but wow is he still a fucking awful person that he hates
wounded angel is... chef's kiss, it's one of my favourite arcs
god i love that i'm just like. intense eyes emojis at him having it
looking at these, blue for helena is less the sure choice than I thought, but Immortal Blue does have potential and Frantic Silver already has a write up up there with Sidney so lets see what the starting Arc 0 powers would be
def the silver is canon with the Quest 3 puts you in an impossible situation and watches as you crack under the strain.
oh heck you're right belay that then
sdfdgf that was what i was missing, looking at the quests
but then seeing the who, just a bit, haven't noticed an enemy in their circle of friends or still want to trust them anyway in immortal blue is like
I KNOW that's why i'm so torn
looks at how she's been like yea i know these are murderers but i have said yes they are friends
yogen changes people!! it could be a transition arc!
that's true!
lemme call up what blue quests look like bc this could tip things one way or another
characters can also be on an arc and still doing quests of another colour or even be on two arcs at once (this is discouraged bc it gets complicated but it's not forbidden)
Blue/Bindings
Quest 1 establishes you as the kind of person who contains/uses/works with dangerous, forbidden or wicked things
Quest 2 lets you help someone or do something important.
Quest 3 lets you enact a big, decisive plan."
"Quest 4 is where you remake the world into something more like you think it ought to be.
Quest 5 is where you explore the effects that that had."
so it's definitely possible for her! it just focuses the lens of her story in a particular way
i feel like it'll shake out depending on how she ends up interacting with cr
because there's (insert lena thesis i won't put here)
nods we can call it Arc 0 then, which means
sdfd whoops pressed enter
but what i mean to say is i am very intriqued by lena thesis
this plurk is already getting long but... i am interested
but yeah we can see which direction it goes... there's potential but it's not there yet
Frantic Silver... and maybe halfway through a blue quest
apologies for my waffling mira but I think we've honed in
next up... add and [redacted]'s arc powers, bc their arcs are already set, and.... I was gonna take a stab at Clamor but I'm probably gonna just do those two and then midori and then chill. this plurk'll be there tomorrow
so Add and Sickly Silver/Accursed
at baseline, Add has a Curse - something about the world that's awful to him. something ordinary about it that's become twisted for him personally, in some specific way
and he has a Sanctuary - a place he can go for some relief from it; to rest, or heal, or just get away, and there's a specific way he gets to it
sits back in here at the right time
tbh in the context of yogen, and what little i skimmed of googling chuubo stuff...... his sanctuary could either be the voidschool or like. yogen itself, as a sanctuary from his canon world that he feels he no longer belongs in
thinking about it, I'd say the voidschool fits, since it's a place he can come and go from, with a particular symbolic entry method (drop of blood)
there's the elevator and it's many alternate timelimes, but he goes there rather than retreats from there, per se
i do like how much the former fits tho like hot damn : D
also

this is my expression hearing you googling it
oh god i forgot about elevator world I SHOULD RLY ESTABLISH HIM AS A MORE FREQUENT ELEVATOR VISITOR SIGHS
dsfdgf that's okay it certainly stuck in my mind
lmao i love tabletop systems like this tho especially when the lore is rly deep .-. looks at all my dozens of nWoD books even though i havent even played a tabletop game in over a decade by now
but the lore is rly good so im like chinhands and thinks about how my characters would fit into the different archetypes and symbolism stuff sighs
sfgdfhg god that's the mood
also looks at bookshelf full of exalted books
i... have never played chuubos i'm one of those people who watches a playthrough of a game online and then write fanfiction
i have played Glitch tho, which takes four Chuubos arcs (Troubled, Accursed, Gatekeeper and Sentimental) and uses different mechanics for them
but yeah it's just like.... there's something really nice about the patterns of it
this is why people like astrology, i think
fgdfhfgdfd if you ever do a nWoD yogen plurk let me know i will be there like butter on toast
WHERE WAS I
ADD POWERS AND THEN ON TO REDACTED KUN BC LAVVY IS HYPING HIM UP I'M HYPED
and by hyping him up i mean revealing what a dumbass he is but i love him anyway
WHEN U SAID U WANTED TO GIVE REDACTEDKUN POWERS WHO WAS I NOT TO ELABORATE A BIT FOR U sighs
THANK YOU LAVVY YOU ARE A GEM
anyway as a general trend Accursed both gives you extra MP... and then says, by the way, did you forget your life sucks, that's going to get eaten up whenever anything goes wrong for you. you start being forced to retreat to your Sanctuary when you run out of it
tbh when i was reading and saw that i found it particularly funny because like
I KNOW ITS NOT RLY THE SAME THING BUT
add as a playable character has a secondary resource bar, and for this specific class route that i play from, he can also use it as a secondary mp bar. like just convert all mp costs into his secondary resource (dp) 1:1
so i mean u not wrong........ he does get extra MP
fsdgfhgdf i love that so much
he does! and he can burn through it like water!
oh trust me he does :' ) me crying whenever i try to play MP!add (whose name also shortens to... MP... hilariously)
you also start losing the ability to recover MP anywhere other than your Sanctuary, but it also replenishes more; you can start taking people into it (although it isn't necessarily safe for them), you can share the benefits of it healing your curse with others.
If you're currently being beset by your curse, you can say 'i have other problems right now' to other forms of influence or injury if you can make it make sense thematically
oh, and you also gain MP if you disappoint someone bc you missed something while holed up in your Sanctuary
this is a bit of a moot point with voidschool, admittedly
the iconic power of Accursed is the World-Breaker's Hand, the ability to delete things from existence; either everything you wave your hand at, or specific things in a specific ways
but you also have the opportunity to curse/contaminate/blight things and people and places with some of your own Curse
Finally, Accursed comes with a state of painful despair that gives you more power (MP in chuubo's, cheaper Cost in Glitch) but isn't a great state to be in; it's traumatic, it's lashing out, it's you, having shattered
that's all of them!
rubbing my hands for Frantic Orange/Become Somebody now
SIGHS A LOT at all this.... it rly does fit him perfectly
you can say 'i have other problems right now' to other forms of influence or injury this one in particular is fun cause it makes me think about like. add's whole void body deal...... he's basically immortal now but you know he absolutely had to suffer through some shit to reach that point so that kinda feels like this
dfdgfgdfgfh "i can't take calls from this stab wound right now i'm having crystal agonizingly spread through my body"
it makes sense... that sort of tradeoff
he was dying of his weird time disease for ~3 years before just going fuck it i'm the void now so it can be interpreted as him no longer being affected by mortal injuries because he's far more focused on like
the fact that he's a barely-held-together void entity thats constantly breaking apart sighs
also fun fact about the contamination/blight bit, void stuff in elsword is infectious and corrupting and spreads Like That lmao
:' ) i'm wondering now how much add-dust the janitor has to deal with
god tho... adddddd
focusing on keeping himself together both metaphorically and literallyy
doesnt rly get shown with add in particular but like.... theres anotehr character (ain, herrscher route) thats also about going through a corruption arc and becoming a void entity, and the henir cultists are all about transforming themselves into void mutants sighs
*doesnt rly get shown with add, as in he doesnt ever really infect other people but he sure probably could
henir cultists need to slow their roll is the increasing impression i'm getting
fdgfhfgdf could but just not interested...
YEAH................ YEAH.
guys please dig deep and find an ounce of chill in your bodies
okay BECOME SOMEBODY, before I get distracted again
let's look at the starter pack
hehehehe it's fitting well already
"It’s suitable for characters who know what they want to be but haven’t gotten there yet, as well as anyone who has gotten somewhere but has much further to go."
- Frantic, which gets you MP when you're in over your head or in trouble
- a Truth, a quality you have that makes you distinctive. I'm gonna input 'liar' here, he's big ol liar liar pants literally on fire
- a Failing, some personal quality that's keeping him from achieving the role he wants; something like recklessness, or impatience, or shortcutting
...but probably recklessness
LIAR LIAR PANTS LITERALLY ON FIRE IM
CRYING THIS WASNT EVEN INTENTIONALLLLLLLL it rly was meant to be
IT REALLY DOES ALL COME TOGETHER I'M CRYING
impatience might work too honestly, looks at the murder timeline
he sure couldve waited but me like i aint got time for the long con i want blood
finally there's the Role, the thing he's trying to become, is aspiring to. it's awkward to word but 'somebody who can graduate/a graduate' is the target here
it's interesting bc what he's trying to become is not necessarily the role he's playing but we'll see, we'll see
Now for the powers, in increasing progression of arc.
- being able to see signs of impatience etc and it's influence on other people and situations
- having insight into people who share or resemble your aspiration; you're good at spotting people who think or feel like you and it's hard for them to hide it
these kind of tie in nicely into what you said about him not being unsympathetic to people in the same boat!
this arc does a lot with Geasa: basically making little laws of the universe. so the next teir up he can get two:
'I am a liar' and 'I am an aspiring graduate'
which means that things that would change these need a lot of power or will just... bounce off
the fun part is also gaining the Geas: 'I belong here'
yes. yes he does. do not question it.
chinhands..... yeah some things could be said about the role. like itd be more accurate to maybe put it like "the type of person that can graduate (or at least that he believes can graduate better than his current self)". i wanna say something like ruthlessness or being manipulative, being more like the kind of ppl he's probably seen succeed before him..
ohhh I do like that
that makes the Geasa based on that role fit a little more
'I am that ruthless'
'i am the above kind of person'
the geasa scale in strength with how far along the arc he is so it would start out bitty and easily overcome... but it's there. he's affirming it. he's making it true
i'm crying tho the more i hear about him the more i'm thinking about shin being 'i kind of get it' about him to Inaba and that bit up there yeah.... it's very interesting in that context
"if you want to live, you change"
i need to get back into the penny thread i got sucked into chuubos instead but ANYWAY
- next power makes you kind of hard to stop when you're acting on or communicating/expressing your role. it can force things to contest on your role's terms, although like. you have only a tiny geas backing you and no actual skill
but keep pattering away and hope no one notices
gently holds the lint..... i will wait for u this round ok give me shin in the penny thread, free him from the mind palace
dsfdgfgd i have a thing tomorrow morning but after that i am sitting down and freeing him
ILL EVEN GIVE U A FREEBIE shin has been working hard at the palace he deserves it
dsfdgfhdgfhg lavvy i love you
okay stopping for the night bc i am used up a lot of brain juice and it is late
zzzzzzzzz
tomorrow..... tags.............
omg HOW I SLEPT THROUGH THIS, HATE THAT FOR ME but these are sooooo cool wtf... I like the retcon skill and I love the makes the world go weird for a bit wtf... that's extremely yogen core I think
how I sat here before work trying to absorb more because this is so cute... the failing really Got Me when I understood it tbh, considering it's not even wrong in a canon sense
yeah :''' ) the baseline stuff was like, one of the hardest things for me to get learning chuubos bc you know, the powers are very shiny toys, but... they're so good at like. pinning down a character for extrapolation
Rantaro... things just keep not going his way
ALSO
i have not forgot about our dear redacted-kun, now that I've finished the doc i will finish up the rest of the Become Somebody powers
- previously: the geasa and the forcing your role power
- while communicating or performing your role, you can suck people into it, cause them to gain a relation to it, effectively infect them with it. They basically become more like you or more like how your role would expect them to be. This is explicitly more than just charisma at work.
- conversely you can reject people and now also things from your role in a similar way, effectively knowing what will drive them away or make them less like you or take them out of your story.
- later on, these get a power up that lets you get away with injecting a new law of how reality works into the area while doing something with your role or rejecting something from your role. It just works that way don’t worry about it.
- become able to deeply understand the place or social context you’re in or a person, enough to pretend you have that strength of connection to it that usually only occurs over time.
Again, like many of these powers it doesn’t give you the skills or knowledge that would imply, but if no one takes a close look that doesn’t matter, and you can just drop that apparently deep, heartfelt connection like a rock at any time. It turns ‘I belong here’ to ‘I’m at home here’.
- the final power is a very scary one. You can basically just straight up make up a imaginary event or credential supporting your role, and nobody can really question it even if the evidence otherwise is staring them in the face... and after a while the world itself might be fooled into thinking that that was actually true.
the more i learn about him the more i'm
i like that this also implies that in the chuubos/nobilis verse, redacted is an Actual, because this arc is Actual-exclusive
i have no idea what that means but nods sagely
Lemme find a good quote to pick, but tl;dr they're like. Living grammar. They're the substrata of the universe, pulled up to the surface layer and not having a good time about it; trying to gain things like identity and personhood and meaning by consuming the things around them, only the things they consume simply become part of them.
They try to fit in and find context and well, become somebody. But they can't quite reach it because the method they use is flawed, and it's hard for them to realise this.
Fire actually fits in in a fun way as a metaphor here; it consumes but it can only turn what it consumes into more fire.
But they can't quite reach it because the method they use is flawed, and it's hard for them to realise this. lays.... here.......
fire is a great metaphor 10/10 would recommend
it just works on so many levels hot damn (literally)
on a meta level it's also very fun because... 'substrata of the world lifted to the surface'... exactly describes a yogen tulpa
HOW ITS LEGIT EVEN ON A META LEVEL
I KEEP BEING AMAZED HOW WELL THIS ALL WORKS, CONSIDERING
thinking again about how, much like narumi, i wasnt even attached or thinking id become attached to this character until the very end SIGHS
dsfdgfhgd and yet now we're going to go on an easter egg hunt for his soul pieces
dsfdgf redacted grew on you huh
my trash boys, clutches heart
two houses, alike in dumbassery (hopefully)
narumin is pure tho LET HIM BE PURE...... but redactedkun fits with my other trash boys ok sighs
it's so true even up to like a few hours before you found him lavvy was like yeah poor narumi can be dead then the icon came out and it was like Hold Up...
redacted is just a little... what's something that attaches to u and grows like it or not... parasite... anyway... charming
HOLD UP
NOT THOSE BEAUTIFUL DOE EYES
fdgfh yessssss... like a lichen. or mold. fun mold tho, the kind that's a funky colour even as you're like 'should i be breathing near this'
JKHSFSDG yeah narumin was like that sighs
i literally told ori "narumi can be dead when they get there but i think itd be more awful if everyone has to watch them die or be a soulless vegetable forever haha"
yeah............................................
redactedkun, my little parasite sighs
dsfsdfdd you're right tho that watching them die was agonizing i love it so much
sfdg literally growing on you
ALSO
i went
a little insane with midori
and did a whole google doc for him
with all four Warmain arcs. What is a Warmain? well there's a blurb at the end but tl;dr entities from beyond reality that come to raid things from it
while I'm at the assigning characters the canon splats their arcs have stage, I'll do everyone I've done so far
holy smokes this is amazing and better than midori deserves... i am far too brain dead to articulate how much i appreciate this and what a great read it is, but it is perfect.
heheheh I've been spinning this in my head for a while, you gave me the motivation to finish
i'm glad you like it
Nene, with Primordial: Wild Magister or True God.
Both are types of Imperators; entities that represent part of reality, giving rise to, defining, and defending by their existence the set of fundamental concepts that make up their being.
Wild Magisters came from outside reality and became entangled with it, introducing concepts that now have always been there.
True Gods are one step above Actuals; ancient and eldritch, they are fractal and hungry; both location and manifestation; you could pull at a tendril of one and find it threaded deeply beneath what you see as reality.
either could suit her I think, but I def lean Wild Magister for the fact that she... literally is coming in from outside this reality to take this role
that wording on the threaded beneath reality... touches forehead...
This would make her other three arcs Allegory, Star Quality, and Indomitable
hehehe I think i recall it being described as like. looking around you and realising the buildings you see are the teeth of some great thing, and then those teeth are the scales of something else
or like, you're talking to someone, and then you realise you might as well be talking into a phone; no, talking to some small part of the entire interchange, the optic cables, the wires, the powerlines
true gods are like fungi; what you see are the mushrooms, but what they actually are is the hyphae threaded underground
i should similarly elaborate on wild magisters for fairness; they are deeply solipsistic beings. they are part of the world; the world is them, and they are not incorrect. what hurts them they consider their own self-destructive habits
when they talk to you they see you as some facet of themselves. they are generous in their inwards-facing, because you are them and why not be kind to yourself, where able?
YOU are a prisoner of reality, which is YOU. YOU come from outside it. YOU must unfold the laws and structure of the world within YOUrself and break your chains and be free and unfettered from all that could hold YOU back... because YOU are THEM.
Sidney, with Troubled: Strategist or Mimic
Strategists are one of the Riders - entities that come from outside reality with the goal of destroying it in some fashion. For strategists it is because existence is fundamentally morally wrong; and it is hurting them, killing them over and over.
Mimics are Imperators... or they were. They were killed, and then something terrible from outside reality was stuck into them and they were stitched back together. They have to be careful lest it escape or they be discovered to be not who they seem.
this is another case where it's hard to say because neither exactly suits him. Retired strategists just trying to live their lives are canonly out there tho.
If he's a Strategist, he also gets Gatekeeper, Sentimental and Accursed.
If he's a Mimic, he also gets Gatecrasher, Creature of Delirium, and Wounded Angel.
Rantaro, with Allegory: a LOT have a slice of this pie. Fallen Angels, Aaron's Serpents, Wild Magisters and on the Rider side of things, Warmains.
Wild Magisters have been mentioned with Nene, and Aaron's Serpents are actually those giant snakes born of the world tree that I mentioned before.
Fallen Angels are somewhat self explanatory; Angels that were banished for loving the unloveable, for having a place in their heart and being there for even the cruelest and meanest.
when nobody else will have you... hell will have you. it loves you
*cruelest, meanest, ugliest, most shunned
Warmains... they come from outside reality to test it to destruction, to sift it apart for whatever they're here to find without a care for the results, who take whatever survives for themselves.
oh that's so cute... hell will have you... why are these all so COOL hello
: D jenna is an amazing writer is why
correct me if I'm off track but I like the idea Rantaro would be an Aaron's Serpent (no I'm not biased by green hair)
they have a passion for the world; they love to explore and show things to others; they are chill and peaceful, but also it's a really bad idea to piss one off, and also, they snuff fires with prejudice
their additional arcs are Child of the Ash, Called Away, and Reality Syndrome
yeah that sounds on brand actually
oh those are cute arc names too... reality syndrome... thinking hard
that one I haven't mentioned before, it's Sickly Yellow
it's an arc about your feelings spilling out into the world, sharing how you experience some part of it that's important to you with others... and it's also about how you cheat at the world, just a little bit.
because you can't accept some part of the way the world is, you've cracked it open
your feelings, your wants, your beliefs, your experiences... they're that strong
ikr i'm just like clenches fist god i love this so much
okay Komaeda now, with Prophet:
this is another easy one, because like Become Somebody it's splat-exclusive; the only ones that get it are the Imperators called Lords of Game
Lords of Game and Lords of Rule are deeply tied to humanity and diametrically opposed in their goals; as the name implies the Lords of Rule seek to enforce patterns and structure and systems; they mean to uplift humanity by them, ensure it's continued existence at the detriment of some; they would place you in a prison to keep you safe if they could.
The Lords of Game... they love the individual voices of people; their self-destructive desires and animal instincts and self-determination, they speak back at you with your own voices, even the things about yourself you never meant to say and don't want to look at, they want you to live the rock star life to the fullest and die in a blaze of glory
they are your right to make bad decisions
to be impulsive, to overextend yourself in reach of your goals, to have cognitive errors and be careless and negligent, to be the part of yourself connected to being made of flesh
and it's... very fitting for Hope, to be an estate of Komeda in this context : D
yisssss i'm amazed how well this works once again yeah
also I should note that Lords of Game are the only Imperators that can walk in the lands beyond reality; they have a touch of non-existence to them
which makes sense, given those lands are sometimes a metaphor for death
oh! I forgot to mention: the other arcs for them are Indomitable, Creature of Fable, and Called Away
anyway, next is add, with Accursed!
This is another exclusive one: only Strategists get Accursed
(they also get Gatekeeper, Troubled, and Sentimental)
Sentimental is one I haven't mentioned yet; it's Frantic Purple
it's about getting attached to people or items and being able to check in on them from a distance; lending them your power, unlocking their true potential, and also creating various devices would go under here
labors of love
.............looks at clamor, hmm
MAYBE THATS THINKING TOO LITERALLY but looks at magitech, idk who knows
none rly stuck out to me when i skimmed what google gave me before but i didnt check all of them so chinhands some more
no, I think you're onto something, and it fits how he likes to teach and guide others as well
both Strategists and Powers get Sentimental
Powers are like... people or things that have been given a divine shard of reality by an Imperator; empowered to care for and express and that defend that single concept, as well as their benefactor
i lean towards Clamor being a Power (of which concept is the question now), but he could be an especially nice retired strategist... i can't see him have tried to destroy the world for being morally wrong and also hating him though :' )
Powers also get Star Quality, Spiritual, and The Ace.
the latter I haven't mentioned but it's Frantic Yellow, it's about basically being, well... the Ace. able to pick things up fast, be good at what you do, eventually to hyperbolic levels
...........looks at his fantasy racism bg where he basically disowned his whole family for treating him like a lesser being
yeah the world is a bit morally wrong but he still tries to be helpful sighs a lot
okay scratch that I definitely love the idea of Chancery Clamor
the Chancery being the Rider's Abstinence Society, but mostly it's strategists and they mostly do things like meet up weekends and go bowling etc and sometimes get dragged into politics or solving crimes
this warms my heart
yeah that sounds about right
Glitch is the game about these people, much recommend
me skimming sentimental tho like oh god how did i miss this before, yeah this powerset just sounds like Literally Clamor
it's so Clamor! he's a high Sentimental build for sure : D
can noah be his treasure...... noah is his treasure now. sighs a lot.
noah is his treasureeeeee
man i have to think about what noah would be, thinking emoji
god brain is also like 'stat up clamor in glitch' no i will figure out his point distribution and that's it hang on
this just reminds me of the very brief window of time where there was a nWoD dwrp and i somehow ended up making my character a full and legal stat sheet
oh my god
that sounds amazing, I'm sad it was brief
im still sad that game died before getting off the ground....... AU haseo but he's a possessed ghost hunter......
when u literally read an entire core book just to app a character to an AU game dfjsdhfsdf i hadnt even LOOKED at geist beyond brief summaries back then but it was like "oh no i bet this is more fitting... maybe ill just skim it a little, im not even required to know everything for this AU game"
and then i just blacked out and woke up a day later with the entire core book in my brain ig
dsfdfhghgdf FIVE HOURS LATER you look up
IT WAS GOOD THO someday ill actually use this knowledge
god it's an amazing but also mildly terrifying mood
yisssss.... fingers crossed for another nwod game
i'm still crying over that persona-themed game that died quickly
oh i still have all my info up
sighs a lot geist was way cooler than i thought it was tbh
i've always been on the periphery of wod but from what i've seen of geist... i've loved it
someone: it's for playing danny phantom
me: sold
wod is kinda ??????????? sometimes but damn the lore is good when its good
changeling the lost is my #1 fave because HELLO, DARK FAE SHIT, MY ABSOLUTE JAM but geist is probably my 2nd fave now
changeling is also very good... i bought the newest one but hmmm. something about it doesn't quite click
is there new stuff...... idk i vaguely remember some ??? weird stuff goin on with the company that owns WoD recently so
yeah... not sure what's up with that
i know onyx path/exalted got acquired by paradox games
me trying to look up the last CtL book i got and being suddenly hit with how old i am again gOD
Clamor: Flore (Sentimental) 6, Eide (Troubled) 2, Lore (Gatekeeper) 0, Wyrd (Accursed) 0, Ability 3
Add: Flore (Sentimental) 0, Eide (Troubled) 3, Lore (Gatekeeper) 2, Wyrd (Accursed) 4, Ability 2 and one point left over for bond/geas/gift
right yeah i havent. tabletopped in like a decade+ right.
god it was rly like 2010 or some shit huh
i think.... god it has been ten years since i got into ttrpg, i remember reading a sourcebook on my very first day of uni, after the earthquake
but i only actually managed to play a game the last few years
either way i love how clamor and add are in opposite ends of the Flore spectrum (i had to guess a bit more with add unfortunately)
'how much Immersion are you getting' 'oh about one or two' 'you are like a little baby, watch this'
honestly i just like reading the lore and thinkin bout how characters would fit in to systems/AU worlds sighs a lot
actually playing tabletop games always feels like. a struggle to get everyone's availability to line up, and then youre stuck there for like 6 hours
this is why i stick to journal rp ig
dsfdgfh yeah... the games i played were discord text and even then sometimes it was like. very slow
anyway where am i
counts on fingers
helena i think
i feel like i did her a bit short shrift bc i was tired, so I'm going to go look back at quests and arcs again first
my brain: what if she's red or yellow
me: ....go on
the quest set for yellow is:
"Quest 1 is your struggle against whatever’s been holding you back. Quest 2 challenges your way of thinking.
Quest 3 is a bunch of weird social obligations getting in your way."
I think what drew me here is that at the end of Quest 3, you learn something shattering
"Quest 4, an epic struggle against something out of nightmare;
Quest 5—time spent lost in the dark."
and the quest set for red/storyteller is:
"Quest 1 is told in a mood of interest and excitement.
Quest 2 is more of a mood of determination, stubbornness, or pride. Quest 3 is more about confusion, puzzlement, and being a little lost."
"Quest 4 is more about transcendence—rising above the world and yourself.
Quest 5 is more about katabasis—about a mythical descent into the underworld, place of death, or the coast."
yellow is about training; unlocking new skills from body and mind
red is about, as the name storyteller suggests, blurring the boundary between ideas and life
which suits her being a poet and applying that skill to yogen
for yellow, i've already described Frantic Yellow (The Ace, up there about clamor) and Sickly Yellow (Reality Syndrome, up there about rantaro)
so let's look at Immortal Yellow (Chosen One)
Right away this doesn't seem like a good fit because it's about channelling and weilding magic; it's the arc for magical girls, among others.
The Ace isn't really her either; she's good at things, but not superlatively good at everything she sets herself to.
Reality Syndrome... has some potential so I'll give that a closer look
it's a very stubborn kind of arc; it's the arc of someone who looked at something about the way the world was and went 'no' hard enough to push the issure
it's... over the top, there's an element of the childish to it
so maybe not helena? let's look at red
Frantic Red (Creature of Fable) is the warmain arc I've mentioned - it's about being so in tune with the stories of others that you can start to... influence them, change them with your own voice
Sickly Red (Creature of Delirium) has a pretty signature trick; reaching into the hearts of others and pulling magical objects representing one of their qualities out. I think this is a utena reference? i have not seen utena. but also probably from other places
oh my god... more food
always excited to learn more food from ur chuubos
i'm always excited to give it i love that people love this as much as i do
reality syndrome is cute and I know miras mentioned that Helena does have some stubborn/childish potential but where I stall in it is her thing about not feeling like she knows the world very well on a broad scale 🤔 tho on a small scale, her world, I can still kinda see it... I'm excited to see what Mira thinks!!
me curious and excited now... wanna go look at all these
hehehehe yessss
ultimately these are all guesses, because i can extrapolate but the player knows the character best
that's why i really liked your help with rantaro
once I got the gist of it I was sooooo excited for the ones you showed!! I spent a bunch of time looking into them like, Ah, that's so good lint nailed it
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I said this before but when it clicked about failings... oh my god... adventure is his failing hands down
:' ) it's his failing... he represents it and yet it keeps cropping up
i love when it works out beautifully like that
ugh yes... please I got sooooo excited and passionate about all the ways it's perfect as one when I realized... it's ideal
so thank u for teaching us all these basics !! cryin... love them, love u
orange arcs are one of the ones i've had problems with but this really helped them click so thank you for that was well... red and yellow now i need to brush up on :' )
awwww thank you for giving me the opportunity to! : D
how It's 3am and I'm repeating myself help... but yes know I love learning the lore and hearing your cute explanations!! I will let u continue now sdfghj
dfghgf go to beeed get the rest
yisss i will continue but you can still chat! .... although bed, sleep is good
okay got distracted but BACK into it with immortal red (Creature of the Light)
this is an arc about being more of a transcendant experience than a person, people and the world become transfixed by, obsessed with you - the world accommodates to let you shine brighter... you are always well-lit because you both have and are the spotlight
you have, and are, pure stage presence
this is the kind of mandate angels get - to be so sublime as to be unquestionable
i think helena's a little too no nonsense and straight forward for this :' )
so those two colours were a bit of a bust, but even busts help me fix a better idea of the arcs in my mind
because thinking about how we discussed both Gatekeeper and Troubled for her earlier... the splat that gets both those arcs? Strategists. Strategist Helena... I'm thinking about it (i love that we have several in yogen now, they could form a Chancery Chapter... drag Add in)
has she ever had that regard of the world? well it's certainly killed her over and over and over.... no it works I think
also peace you commented on this post so too late I'm doing subaru
like nene he's got potential for Black... and I think he could actually be that candidate for Red or Yellow potentially
we can eliminate Green fairly easily, and Silver and Purple. Blue and Orange he's on the edge for.
frantic and immortal red standing out already. the black arcs... hmm frantic maybe? frantic blue.... he's getting into detectiving. sickly yellow possibly. sickly orange as well, he has that fun energy that sweeps people up into things. so i'm going to run through the powersets for that lot and see if there's anything that's like 'YES'
I think he could have that protag Energy that goes into sickly orange maybe 🤔 that was star... the star one right... symbolism already there... but I know me and peace talk a lot about parallels between him and ami too
Star Quality.... you know what I think you're right
it even suits his little stars
and i love that... them both being Orange
something something going against all odds in similar ways and both of them trying to make the reality they want no matter how impossible
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STAR QUALITY god its such a cute name
IT'S SO GOOD i love the chuubo's names.
they have one word names (this one has Persona) but i love the charm the chuubos ones have
i'm rubbing my hands together time to see what goodies he gets
first off, he has the baseline power of a sickly arc, meaning he can get power or xp by grappling with sickness/transformation/corruption for a while
and he has a Mythos, which is either the story of who he is and what his destiny is, as he's declared it, or the world that he's been consumed by or enthusiastically dived into (e.g. the world of stamp collecting, racing, etc)
i only know a little about him, so I'm kind of flying blind, but i'm leaning towards the 'world' type... the world of idols?
i'm crying this is the arc the canon chuubo's school idol gets
not the canon school idol I'm crying... love that for them
whatever it is, it's something behind the enthusiasm he shows to the world
dxfgfgdffdgf they just want to sleep but they keep getting dragged into all sorts of exciting things... relateable
and then because it's an orange arc, he's got his own Failing - something's stopping him from living up to his dreams or some other kind of catch to his Mythos
it doesn't need to be serious, in fact it can be cartoon ridiculous, but it's there to generate plot by making things not just smooth sailing
i think... maybe it's that there's more to him than just the sparkly? and that can cause some problems of being dismissed or taken as pure image maybe hm
also this lucky lad gets two Truths to start with.... what are things that are brightly, unequivocally true about subaru, knacks or qualities he has
well, always being right is one I think... he's always highly visible to the point that network post with no orange font made me : ((((
*bright, not right
i mean, he's right often... but not as a universal law
and I think there's a deeper one about how he connects to and interacts with people... making friends easily or, well, giving them his heart.
possibly also one connected to Shenanigans and the increased likelihood of them around him :' )
and the powers, increasing up the arc levels:
- a power that lets him see how things and people do or could fit into his orbit or mythos, at the cost of making it a little difficult to notice anything else while he's doing this
after all, his mythos is something he's enthusiastic about or putting energy into
- a power that lets him transform things and people to be more in line with his mythos as well as reverse this; basically reshaping and redecorating the world a little, so major stuff will turn out to be cosmetic in the end, and he can't really hurt anyone with it who wasn't going to be hurt anyway... that's not what it's for
it basically means he has the props he needs and the ability to drag people into it
- the ability to zone out and experience life as someone or something else for a bit... someone else sharing the experience of his mythos or who has the same role as him
well, shares the same broad world of it
- an ability that means he instantly 'clicks' with someone he's shared the experience of this way, if he meets them
- an ability that means people who do things for him get a boost; they can do things even if they have no skill in the area!
- a power that turns one of the truths into the universal law of a Geas, and later even forces that Geas to be relevant to the current situation
- a power that lets you permanently bring someone into the world of your mythos, if they would suit it, "translating" the into their equivalent. it can also slap one of your Truths on them
- similarly a power for the reverse, taking off a Truth or rejecting something from the mythos by making it whatever it would be if it weren't part of it
- a power that lets you give someone any Geas.... in the form of a destiny or role related to your mythos
- powers that boost the 'bring things in and out of your mythos' powers to region-affecting levels, although once more they have difficulty causing harm and the effects will tend to fade when you stop
Wild Magisters (elaborated on with Nene up there), Powers (elaborated on with Clamor up there), Zu and Deceivers have Star Quality
Zu we know very little about but their general trope is 'that martial arts master on a mountain somewhere you seek out to gain enlightenment' so I think we can say that's not Subaru
A Power of a particular concept he could be. I'm tempted by Wild Magister but why I don't know.
And Deceivers... are a kind of Rider. They had some kind of revelation, came across something that made them realise that reality had to be a lie, and now they want to wake us up from it, open our eyes to the true thing that reality is merely a trapping illusion for
subaru seems like he's just vibin' rather than trying to free people from the lies that are dogs, noses, colours, etc
hmmm... I scrolled up, powers also get the ace one right?
so yeah that's everyone for now! i am always down to do this tho : D
yeah! powers get the Ace, Sentimental and Spiritual
I think Subaru has a plot line in his personal story about him being alienated for being Talented ... or something

hmm...
I'm not sure if that would tie but anyway, excited to see peaces thoughts!!
- being really good at stuff
- power of friendship
- communicating with/commanding their Concept, in extreme summary
and ooooh that seems like it could be good Failing fodder as well as fitting someone on The Ace : D
ohhh that's cute you're right actually!! I didn't think of it that way but I can totally see it
a Power he is! he's got that little divine shard of the essence of reality in him :' )
yisssss... i love that it works both ways depending which element is emphasized
I also love that extreme summary
if I end up making up a huge miro board about trying to understand all these I'm blaming you because I love them now
dzsfdgfdfsfdgf YES GOOD
I HAVE CORRUPTED ANOTHER

please link me the miro if you do
it says u tagged me but i cant find it?
I will!! I'll probably start with like ones that apply to ami and his cr and then branch out for the rest.. excited to learn
huh that's.... weird
i haven't tagged you since the nene and sidney bit i don't think... maybe i did and forgot/deleted?
yesssssss.... esp interested in his cr lemme know your thoughts on splats for everyone else bc i have a list now so that I can mentally imagine them all in an au
but sorry about that amity : <
closes my eyes opens my eyes ok Imma go get ready to start my day then I guess this will be my day
adsfdgfgdfdsf i love chuubos immensely but i beg u to also have sleep

thanks amity
OH i did ping you, it was for assigning splats to Nene and Sidney
Nene being either a Wild Magister or a True God, and Sidney being a Strategist or Mimic
I'm leaning towards Sidney being a Strategist, because it fits being killed over and over again in his past even if the arc timing doesn't line up and I love how it means we have four Strategists, enough for a Chancery Chapter :' )
Nene a bit harder to pin down... but leaning towards True God.
either way it's all up there just below the midori document, there are so many posts I'm sorry
ohhhh ill search for it when i get to my laptop... but ya girls

sick

so that maaaay be a bit
aw no worries amity get well soon!
this ain't going anywhere
SJDJDDJFJ scrolls thru..... subaru has issues with opening up fully to people yeah, he seems likena very open and public person but he's actually quite private with his more negative feelings he can't quite process right thanks to growing up too fast...
rn subaru's more vibing but he's also a very defiant spirit, too; if there's something he doesn't agree with, especially if something is "bound", he seeks to to do everything he can to free it... thinky..he and trickstar caused a whole revolution of their school's way bc of it
but it wasn't something he felt passionately for until he saw one of his dear friends hurt by it -- he's actually pretty aloof and going just where his friends are, though he's gotten better about this and seeks to do things on his own if he doesn't like how something is, tho the need will always be greater if it affects a friend
ur analysis is really spot on tho... i was thinking about black for him too btw when i first saw it but he and amami def have the orange parallels www
me coming bck from my 14 hour nap and agreeing bc i saw individual voices and die in a blaze of glory kinda cried... yeah yeah... im crying you really got komaedas chara in this every time i read it and im like yeah lint makes so much sense im SICKK
backreads to catch up on all of this...im coming
also realizing blindly that sickly blue lines up with someone else i play headcore
the thing i'm running up against with lena is that even if the world's been terrible to her she's never wanted to destroy it
so in that respect she wouldn't be a strategist or even a retired one unless like. being a child and breaking things in frustration counts
it's hard when you have someone who instead of being in an arc is more like. wants to go out and have her arc and make her own mark on things
lena why are you defying category right now...is it because i'm sleepy
subaru can have a little a Black arcs, as a treat... I'm crying if he gets Frantic Black/Prophet like Komaeda
KOMAEDA FITS SO WELL he's just like 'this hole was made for meeeeee'
and dsfdgfhh Lena doing her own thing. vibing
it's possible I'm missing what colour she is exactly and figuring that out will make her click
not red, not yellow... probably not orange, probably not purple...
blue... we've already seen she's on a blue quest, not arc. silver... troubled is very easy to give to characters but is that her... green I've been discounting out of hand but maybe I shouldn't
I'm wondering if she's another Immortal Black/Primordial at this point
WONT LIE ME AND NMS DRAW LINES BETWEEN THEM TOO HES JUST A DR CHAR
like nene...
if you're wondering why I keep skirting around Sickly Black/Awakening that's because it's very... 'the world is actually a video game/painting/illusion, join my cult'
okay that's a bit reductive, it's one of my favourite arcs, but none have fit it so far
you've given me a puzzle mira
SFDGFHDFDF god he really is. esp with the investigation. honorary dangan
i love that he's in the venn diagram between komaeda and rantaro it doesn't make sense and yet it makes complete sense
....spamton is probably Sickly Black
also I'm curious about that Sickly Blue/Wounded Angel char if you're down, mira!
sits bolt upright wait no
Deceivers DO get both orange and black i'm trying
sickly orange and sickly black
and Wild Magisters get sickly orange and immortal black
i'll give a fairer summary of awakening then for comparison
Awakening is about... being kind of an infectious reality, intruding on this one. That's not always obvious, but that's what it comes down to; you have you, and that's just a sort of representation of something bigger, something different, some other plane of existence with other rules.
It's infectious because it's not the kind of truth you can just keep to yourself; it's in your nature to reveal it and thereby spread it, or it's like how once you know something, you can't not act as if you don't know, and that affects the world more and more too.
it's for characters who say the world is a video game, or that they're dreaming it into being, or they isekai'd from somewhere else
oh the sickly blue one is another one from helena's canon, emily dyer (who you'll see me cry about everywhere) - she fits the who tried to be good people and didn't quite make it but are still trying
oh no i'm crying already ; ^ ;
to a complete t - became a physician with the honest goal of helping people and aiding as many as possible, but her clinic started rapidly financially failing since it was private (and i assume she was undercharging out of kindness)
ended up cracking her own morals and started offering illegal surgeries under the table to stay afloat, managed some success from that
then accidentally killed one of her patients in a botched surgery and went on the run because she was now wanted for murder, changed her name and tried to flee, but found the daughter of the woman she killed
who emily had ALSO been treating for psychiatric disorders at an orphanage (long story) and the shock treatment ruined the poor girl so hard she lost her identity
so with the double guilt whammy emily was like. i have to try to fix her. at the least bring "her" back. and now she lives with a crushing complex and barely even calls herself a doctor despite other people doing so
"atonement" is like. one of the cornerstones of her character
idv: everyone has a sad backstory
i'm rapidly discovering this, my heart :' )
yeah i told lint about bane............
did you just pull up a list and go pick one
bc i can do that and be like here's their life and how it sucks
nobody is having a good time
hastur chilling like hehe
but yeah idv is like sadness and "wow i love having no concrete lore"
dsfgdfhggdfdg i keep looking up the wiki but it's very sparse
it's unfortunately guesswork and ????? in there
such is the way... means it's neat i can get the lore from the horse's mouth
realising I never actually completed the thing of figuring out what arc shin might currently be on in chuubo's... but I'm thinking about him trying to fit into a role of being someone who helps others without being a martyr, and that's like... that's very orange, which I did not expect but I'm intrigued by
if he's a serpent like rantaro that's allegory
and his failing is probably like.... distrust is the low hanging fruit, like trying to work against his distrust of others... but also his distrust of himself
i need to spin that a little more but... this is interesting
or maybe not distrust but something deeper... fear? hm