I'm having a difficult time reading what they are saying and why they are doing this. can anyone give me a layman summary?

Kougamyazawa: so Cloudflare's CEO is a garbage human

Kougamyazawa: Cloudflare's CEO is standing by a site that has literally called in swatting on trans people and has expressed regret taking down sites on their service that shared CSAM and actual dangerous white supremacy, so DW is moving away from them.

Cloudflare offering like. DDOS protections and shit and ^ yeah that

as someone who used to do work reporting sites related to my company...can attest cloudflare is shit

even their report system is a special flavor of torture

Kougamyazawa: Cloudflare, which provides some of DW's services, is being dropped as a provider. Depending on how your local internet provider handles various protocols, you may or may not see periods over this week where DW is unavailable while they switch providers.

cloudflares CEO basically said he regrets taking protection away from sites like 8chan

lol the "free speeks" whining in that post

Oh snap

Wow, just...wow. I didn't know Cloudfare endorsed that kind of rhetoric or crimes.

honestly, moving away from cloudflare can only be an improvement considering how often there's errors with them in the first place

good for DW

okay so let me see if I got this:

cloud flare: we believe in free speech so we'll allow sites that contain borderline actually dangerous or actually illegal things

dreamwidth: hey we also believe in free speech but would rather stay from actual illegal things so we'll be going elsewhere

like is that the situation that's going on basically?

Kougamyazawa: uh, no. it's not "borderline"

replace "borderline" with "literally" then yes

I asked about personal backups and got a link in the thread, for if anyone else who might be paranoid like me

it's actually illegal, yeah.

okay I'll edit my comment

like, I assume nothing'll happen to the content that's already there, but I get nervous lol

okay now I got it

yeah. Basically, Cloudflare is pretending that free speech maximalism is the only stance they can take, or otherwise it's censorship. Ignoring that speech can have serious real world harms, or pretending it's "only speech" and doesn't lead to like. CSAM freely proliferating, or actual bodily harm to people in real life.

It's disingenuous. You can be in favor of hosting unpopular free speech (DW's position), without also going "But then we have to host the dangerous free speech!" (Cloudflare's position)

I am reading up on this and holy cow

Also of note, Plurk and Discord also use cloudflare.

So I won't be re-upping my premium plurk account when it expires.

The Huffington Post has documented Cloudflare's services to at least 7 terrorist groups, including the Taliban. Cloudflare has been aware since at least 2012, and has taken no action. However, according to Cloudflare's CEO, no law enforcement agency has asked the company to discontinue these services.

Nobody told them them helping terrorist is bad, how can you hold them accountable.

jfc

yeah like. unfortunately a lot of places use Cloudflare

Yeah I have a website and use Cloudflare. I've been researching new providers

same, ive been looking into it as well

Good on DW being firm about the line between 'free speech' and 'public endangerment'.

I hate that like three quarters of the Internet is on Cloudflare, they're the Literal Worst

Yeah, so many websites uses Cloudflare.

Jesus...

Well I just wrote my first ever email direct to my CEO with my feelings about this. I know I've seen it crop up on an error from at least 2 of our systems but I don't know how into them we are as a whole.

...yeah cloudflare is... pretty ubiquitous

but, yanno, that can change

glad to hear this

yeah, I'm really glad DW both has the option to ditch them and is taking it

i can't believe no one has told them not to help terrorists, this sounds like them trying to be all PLAUSIBLE DENIALBILITY

i'm glad this is happening
appreciate dreamwidth taking a stand against cloudflare

mundofine: ...yeah I think it's probably more like nobody enforceably told them

not to mention the way in Cloudflare's own blog post they try to "clean" their money from bigoted or harmful sites by donating their profits to charities is vile.

"We don't talk about this publicly because it's not for marketing [until right now when we feel like we might need it]." <- ftfy

There's a Wayback Machine back-up for Cloudflare's s... if you wanna read the whole thing without giving them traffic.

love that one tweet that was like this is the equivalent of carbon credits for hate speech

*statements

I'm okay with this down time.

The downtime seems reasonable to me

the only bummer is being in the middle of a really exciting RP thread with a new person. but, it will be there when they're settled in <3

And I just posted a new thread in my game, but it'll be there once the downtime is done.

Er log I should say.

Holy shit I didn’t think they would move off cloudflare in wake of what’s happening rn (given DWs limited resources, and moving servers is a huge pain, I wouldn’t blame them) but am SO glad they are. This rules and I’m happy to continue to give DW my money.

Oka, fuck cloudflare

DW update:
dw_maintenance | Migration of Dreamwidth off of Clou...

sum: the main site itself is done moving off CF services. still some work left to be done, but it should be finished in about a week or two.

and in case there're issues with DW itself, they'll use their Twitter account to keep us posted there.

I believe I saw that one of the Cloudflare execs (the owner?) was actually a KF mod.

That would be weird

I believe it was more 'friend of a KF mod'

Tanarian: any sources? I've been searching since you posted that, but I'm having trouble finding anything...

I'll try to find it again.

https://blog.cloudflare.... Interesting. I went looking and pulled that up instead

Apparently they're blocking KF

"It's okay to threaten the world at large, BUT NOT US"

okay.

I wonder why.





any ideas?

Something something "voting for Rabid face-eating leopards" "I didn't think the leopards would eat MY face"

they're in damage control mode because people are rightly turning on them

dw_maintenance | Potential downtime this weekend (2 ... yeah fr fuck them anyway

I just find the hypocrisy illuminating. They straight up said they didn't like the death-threats and harrassment they're getting from KF like. yo.

Aw.

There isn't a violin small enough in the world for CF's feefees

Is it true that Cloudflare just blocked Kiwifarms?

Is that the site that the CEO was standing by? I wonder if the backlash has made them reverse course.

That's exactly why. It's damage control. Their stock went down on top of the backlash.

So they had no choice but to back down.

Cloudflare blocked Kiwifarms, but Kiwifarms replaced them with a Russian firm.

It wasn't just stocks, it was found out that Kiwifarms members were trying to hire a hitman to get rid of one of their targets and Cloudflare knew they'd have some legal issues if they kept that up.

welp

I like the escalation. The whole world goes "Look at these red flags." CF is like "Yeah but money and laziness???" and then it bites them in the ass

Just read the CEO's statement. I don't doubt he has a metric asston of ulterior motives, but unfortunately, I also don't think he's necessarily incorrect in saying that Cloudlfare cutting off KF will not solve the problem.

It won’t, the problem is a systemic one. But de platforming nazis had never been the wrong step either

^^^^^

word

They dumped them while whining incessantly.

the russian firm they replaced KF with, last i heard earlier today, was failing to do ddos protection and theyve been forced off the .ru domain onto the dark web