I saw a lot on twitter but I feel like the zeitgeist would be different here maybe and I know there are a lot of avid movie goers!

I know I for one didn't see it in large part bc I missed relevant meetups and was side-eyeing ezra for 2 years since they strangled that poor girl in europe

but do people even know about that???

also can someone confirm everyone is rping hot latina supergirl thank you

definitely some people are rping the hot latina supergirl on dwrp. I've seen one or two around. I think it's a mixture of ezra lacking star power rather than what he's done + the fact that ultimately the whole dceu is being rebooted, so what's the point in watching films you know won't lead anywhere or won't reuse actors

wb sentiment is also pretty low due to batgirl being cancelled for a tax writeup, particularly when it comes to dc films (though high for barbie and dune lmao)

also spider-verse basically blew all superhero movies out of the water

Generally my sense is the DCEU has struggled to find it's identity, footing and consistency in terms of storytelling for some time, especially when competing with MCU, and Ezra Miller alone as a big name isn't enough to fix that when the story they're fronting doesn't have a clear throughline of consequence for larger storytelling

marketing was also so-so imo.

My sense is the Scattershot approach to DCEU is also giving the overall impression that emotional investment in various aspects of the overall franchise lacks returns when so much get shelved or fridged, similar to the discontent and reputational hits to Netflix's model of "bring out something new, see fannish investment but not Mega Bucks, can it after

1-2 seasons, repeat for next show"

And yes, Spider-Verse set a very, very high bar and marketing for Flash was overall

On a more personal take, I have never found much charm in the DCEU with the exception of a campy show they cancelled early. Even for superhero stuff where you know what you're getting into, I show up for the DC villains way more than the heroes and the hero stories always feel a bit bland for me, but additionally DCEU doesn't seem to know if it wants grit

or charm and ends up under-delivering on both, so because of that I saw all the Flash previews that felt like a lot of trying hard with cute, quippy one-liners with close-ups of Miller's face alongside "this is the fate of the universe" etc. and went "...yeah, nah I'm good"

mmm

very good thoughts, thank you guys

I think the spider-verse notes definitely make sense. and it tracks that there were some big strategic errors with... timing, placement in the universe, the lack of robust ideas to sustain the universe itself

say what you will of the mcu, they had some good flagships to follow

true, though I think the mcu/dceu vehicle is generally flagging

the highest grossing movie of the year so far .... is the super mario bros

LOL REALLY?

I kind of love that. I watched the super mario bros movie with my friend's kids the other month and it was pretty cute

yep

1.3 billion

I definitely think the mcu lost power after them first flagships

secret invasion is squarely mediocre

beat out quantumania and gotg3

spider-verse beat gotg3 too the last I checked

elemental beat the flash

so in general, it seems consumer tastes are definitely shifting

and big openings don't necessarily translate to big wins

oh right elemental really surprised me tbh, it had such a slow time in the US

I still have to see it

yeah but word of mouth, strong reviews have really pulled through for it. I saw it last week and I enjoyed it! And I think you'd really like it too, china

the marketing definitely did it dirty but I also don't know if disney knew how to market it

That's a very intriguing comment!! 👀

kralkatorrik btw what was the show you liked but was canceled

lmao well it is a romcom much in the vein of k-drama stuff but it's primarily an immigrant story without being too bogged down about racism and microaggressional stuff

I talk about it more in detail on my plurk

Oooo

Gotham. They had two more seasons planned and had to condense it down and you really feel it. It was campus villain good times so I was very here for it

I think I saw Angry Asian Man saying it was a very immigrant Asian film so that makes sense

Oh shit that's right. Thanks kralkatorrik

yeah. it was done very well imo and the water/fire stuff does click

*campy not campus, phone

I actually did see the flash (bc it was the second film at the drive in lmao) and it's. Fine. But I'm soured on Ezra bc of all their everything the past couple years. I also think they overact but that's not something that got this film going poorly

I think the DCEU is a mess, and as mentioned above like why get invested when they're rebooting anyway?

I also think folks are getting oversaturated on hero stuff (maybe I'm projecting)

Spider-verse aside, hero films have been losing their appeal esp when there's a new one every three months

boywonder I think this covers a lot of the intended audience yes 🤔

I hadn't thought about how the reboot undermines the show but it tracks. I'm a weirdo who loves endings personally

So that part didn't even occur to me

I mean I always loved that the dceu movies are self-contained for the most part but it does suck when you know some people won't be back or fully recast not even a decade later

I think that's the thing for me--I don't mind self-contained, but that's never been super clear with DCEU imo so you get some on-going tie-ins and some standalones and it doesn't feel good to make your audience feel stupid when they show up thinking they didn't need to do their proverbial homework and instead your sat there like oh I didn't catch the others

Superhero saturation is also definitely A Thing now though I agree and the formula of both trying to do impactful self-contained stories (hard to do well now imo) and the draw of pseudo-series on the big screen is shifting what the medium can do and the expectations of viewers, especially for certain genres

Mm the mcu is so obsessed w continuity (while being bad at it) that I didn't even think of the dceu as in that category but that's true

Ah yes superhero saturation for sure

all of this and also: Spider-Verse had the very fun factor where it actively pushed the envelope in various interesting ways, animation-wise, while The Flash was like.

I've Seen Far From Home Why Should I Bother

kinda vibe

fuckin lol

for me, it was like. I've seen EEAAO, why would I bother with far from home OR the flash

That's true. For all its production problems, spiderverse absolutely did something new and interesting

And yeah..... True! Everything Everywhere just ate the whole trope

I saw someone saying the ceos thought the flash would make a billion dollars

yeah the way they batted for the flash is wild

The difference between them and the actual audience is incredible

Like they really thought they had aced the formula, 'this is going to be our mcu'

I'm watching it rn and it's not bad! it is funny. but it's not record breaking and everyone trying to do the multiverse deal doesn't understand the multiverse appeal at all

And I'm including far from home in that despite the fact it made money

timmtams you're watching the flash??

it released early and I am a pirate

I downloaded it half an hour ago lmao

Looool nice

Oh shit it is starting to pop up

Ugh i guess I'll dig in at some point

it's meant to be out tomorrow iirc

transformers is out too

another movie that didn't do too well

The flood of cgi mediocrity

I'm enjoying this summer block of animation winning

anyway I will probably make icons of hot latina supergirl because I was rooting for her and I do feel sad on her behalf

Shrieks

Yes let me gaze upon my queen

She was great!

GAZE UPON HER

I didn't go because of the ezra stuff and because I'm not into dc unless it looks amazing

... idk anything about DCEU, I'm just here to say hiiiii

the flash needed to have the hype built up from previous dceu movies and it was practically non-existent

miller has a niche fanbase if im not mistaken and they were in a lot of terrible controversies so a bunch of fans lost interest

i think the movie was supposed to come out in 2018 and got pperpetually postponed which usually kills the movies that happens to
and no marketing because they probably want to stop associating with ezra but it was too much money to throw away by simply canceling everything

and the dceu has had nonstop bad press

wrt working conditions for actors, how directors have treated actors disrespectfully, etc

and they're the main character so its not like they could edit them out

honeyfoot helloooooo CCC::

it's kind of unexpected to see so many other people who didn't watch the film mostly bc of Ezra's MESS but I shouldn't be surprised

i also saw an interesting point someone made in that they think the way this film rendered speedsters as really boring

OH and i saw a ton of backlash to the christopher reeve ai generated appearance

which really came from people who grew up watching reeve and found the way this movie trampled on his stated wishes for how he appeared on film to be disrespectful

yeah it's exceptionally shitty

OH i did hear about that as well! yeah that was wildly shit behavior

terrible

yeah the christopher reeve thing was also shitty!

Damn I didn’t hear about that, didn’t know they used his likeness at all

me neither. how gross.

there was another actor whose likeness they ai generated who did not realize he was portrayed in the movie at all, no one asked for his permission

agree with many above thoughts re: the flop. i'm exhausted by Marvel at this point but they had a strategy from the get-go and stuck with it all the way to Endgame. in comparison, DC/WB was like that video of the guy trying not to fall for 9 entire seconds while shovelling snow

or else just acting weirdly shitty about their own IP and the people who made it

like why should i care about your franchise if you don't even care about it

(i honestly tried)

rofl

I super agree w both marvel exhaustion and the difference b/w mcu stick-to-it-iveness vs DC's magikarp flopping. It's true

Way too many direction changes, directOR changes, those cancelations, mess and mess

I'm taking a look at the flash movie rn. realizing I hadn't expected to actually care about the bad cgi, it's just not something I usually have a lot of feelings about, but it's really jarring in such a high budget movie. like quantumania was a mess, spiderman often looks like his body's made out of rubber, and I'm sure diana looked odd in ww '84 but I

didn't think anything of it

is it a stylistic thing or just 'quality?'

I haven't gotten to christopher reeves yet but it's obv some of it is just that there were a lot of fully AI-generated human likenesses

very uncanny valley

I'm here late, but I think the ezra miller stuff actually penetrated more deeply than we think... at least I've seen a lot of talk about it in mainstream publications too. I think that the double whammy of animosity towards them from the right due to nonbinary stuff and then animosity towards them for... all the shit we SHOULD be mad about

+ their obvious inability to promo really took its toll

tho generally agreed with just absolute burnout of superhero properties

wisdombitch you know that's probably a completely fair assessment. Esp re the queerphobia of some potential audiences vs moral concerns of the rest of us.

Was there a problem with ezra doing promotion? I might have missed that. Or maybe you mean WHEN they were evading police

I didn't hear any reports. I do recall reading an article where he apologized and thanked people for putting up with him

same here

granted, I also was not looking or checking social media at the time so I might have missed something

yeah. I backed way off with the initial spurt of ezra's violence like literally years back, so I was in v distant orbit by the time even the whole alleged kidnapping came out. I remember being shocked the dceu leadership was so keen on saving the flash esp after batgirl was announced canceled

yeah. I can see why they liked it because it has that weird nostalgic appeal, very back to the future vibes and people lose their minds over back to the future but ... idk. weird

I've resumed my watch this evening and am in love with kara uselessly

kara is great ;;

you should read woman of tomorrow, china. you'd love it

eyes emoji

it's a western/true grit story with supergirl, self-contained so you don't need to know her massive history and just. shockingly good storytelling and writing

oldbat also good

it's also stunning

and they're making a movie based on it!

ooooohh

are they really? not with this actress by any chance?

that I don't know yet. no casting has been announced, just gunn saying this project is on the line

oooh

anyway like I said. it's written like an old school fairytale/western. some of the lines in it just kill me

wooooo! gorgeous

right??

Yes, the red carpet was their first promo and public appearance for the movie

And I think possibly their only one

Ahh fair enough. They could have done much more leading up

Or subsequently

ok I finished the movie. that was a visually really strange experience, between the cgi and moments where I was like "obviously they must have used real actors but the face looks plastic." i wonder if my connection was just glitching

they should've just given the money to me