tl;dr every time a unity engine game is installed, unity wants a cut

Demos included

this includes demos, cloud streaming, the same user installing to different devices - YUP

What the fuck. o_O uh, no.

their data model is a secret though so you just have trust them when they say you owe them money~!

bro. They can charge a developer for using their engine a one time fee, that's fair for using their property. but per download even for demos? that's bullshit.

reminder that the current CEO of Unity is John Riccitiello, who previously wanted to charge people for reloading ammo in game

... what planet does he live on because it's not this one

he's a ceo so he's completely out of touch with reality of course

a list of games that run on unity aka I hope mr. riccitiello likes lawsuits

anyway if you're interested in game dev I've seen Godot tossed around as a good alternative today

weren't we eaiting for him, though?

waiting *

the fact that nintendo is on that list ain't good for him

Have fun with that

whaaaaat. this dude's playing with so much fire right now.

My understanding is that Unity is much less popular than it used to be so this may be a panic move on their part

it's a really good way to put another nail in the coffin, too

it's gonna be even more unpopular now

unfortunately, unity and unreal engine are the frontrunners in available game engine tools

some statements from devs

God, this is nasty, corporate greed

I love when people are like "Oh, we're not making as much money as we used to, let's really put the thumbscrews to our remaining customers and scare them away"

Like jesus, how stupid are these people

The stupidity of corporations never ceases to amaze sometimes

fucking wild

good lord...

marveling at this absolute stupidity

Ohhhhh, you wanna see some more statements from them that'll make you flinch?Unity on X

Linked is a Q&A of their most asked questions, one of them being:

Q: If a user reinstalls/redownloads a game / changes their hardware, will that count as multiple installs?
A: Yes. The creator will need to pay for all future installs. The reason is that Unity doesn’t receive end-player information, just aggregate data.

?????????

YonFellow: about this people in particular...

very stupid and recurringly stupid

as I just said elseplurk, man is a captain planet villain who has come back out of hiding and is about to be beaten by a group of five teenagers with attitude and a bodybuilder

...Can Nintendo or Steam, like, punch Unity? One of those big ol' gaming companies

I mean that one isn't entirely stupid, because I think it'd work, it's just next-level evil.

nintendo is one of their clients, so i think they'd be happy to bring out the steel chair. if only for their own benefit

considering multiple nintendo games - including brilliant diamond/shining pearl - run on unity? yeah

well nice knowing ya, Unity

of course he did

people theorize that they're trying to squeeze the blood from mobile gachas (mihoyo in particular but f/go was also mentioned) in the most headass, illogical way possible

"we make a lot of money, but......... what if we made even MORE money"

THIS is how you get people to STOP using your product

imagine thinking a multibillion dollar juggernaut like mihoyo won't sue them to avoid this kind of nonsense. they could probably buy unity out wholesale lol (also f/go = aniplex = sony, let's piss off one of the major console makers)

Basically, I'm pretty sure they just want to piss off everyone who gives them money.

It's a bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see if it pays off.

I think Nintendo should fight them, like Godzilla

I'm kinda okay with Unity destroying itself like this. More diversity in game engines sounds nice.

Epic Games like

thanks for the Unreal marketing boost guys

Welp. If this comes to happen, I think we should use "Photobucket" as a verb to mention a company plummeting its own adoption due to stupid forms of greed.

I still get emails from photobucket asking me if I'm really for real sure I don't want to come back so I hope beyond hope that Unity goes the same route because it's going to be really funny watching them beg

unity has been in a death spiral for years now and this is just the killing blow of stupid dumbfuck decisions

godot isn't as caught up to unity just yet but it's open source and the docs are actually regularly updated

i've already seen several lawsuits started against this

I read somewhere that they didn't discuss anything with actual developers when they made this decision. Which does not surprise me at all

also:

oh not one fucking bit, unity execs spring this all on their own

Not only are gamepass games going to get screwed by this too, but people are also mentioning that malicious install campaigns could weaponize this.

i've had several friends work for unity and all of them said it was the most miserable experience of their lives

wait wait wait, didn't the Ceo shortsell a whole bunch of his own stock in the company at the same time as this announcement? wouldn't that be working against the shareholders interest?

Six days ago, but yeah

apparently they are already backpedaling on some of the announcements but it's still bullshit

too bad they destroyed trust with this even if they try to backpedal

sure a lot of devs are not going to trust them and go ahead and switch to other engines for their next projects

yeah for sure. and even if the fees impact distributors more than developers (or so they claim) it will still have a negative impact on the entire industry

no company wants to deal with a partner that could randomly slap them with fees unilaterally out of nowhere

the more i find out about the CEO who i already knew was cartoonishly evil the more i hate him
the line about people who don't make games just to monetise them being "fucking idiots" just about sums up everything about his entire personality

CamiuVidan: It was the "legal" form of insider trading, which is to say routine liquidation of assets and then waiting to be DUMBSHIT FUCKOS until AFTER that liquidation

https://www.axios.com/..... the backpedaling starts

and like. some Giants will be awoken at this bullshit. disney, tencent....... john has meddled in the wrong group.

apple, google, valve all awakening.

it's called unity because we are all united against this dogshit company

the backpaddling is amazing.

...Imagine all the unity webgames that are on various websites like Newgrounds

The backpedaling is amazingly tonedeaf.

https://i.redd.it/gfapr7mmkhl71.jpgOnly replace George Lucas with "Nintendo, Valve, Sony, ect..."

Ah. The classic "suggest something patently insane then walk it back and hope they'll accept it"

I've messed around with Godot and it's pretty intuitive if you know anything about code to start? So good luck to them. As for the main event, though... what an absolute farce. What utter nose-cutting face-spiting corporate wankery. My head hurts.

The Nintendo lawyers are sharpening their pen nibs, I'm sure.

>Unity doesn’t receive end-player information, just aggregate data
>Unity: NO NO WE’RE KIDDING JUST THE INITIAL INSTALL COSTS

... so which is it, can you tell which is the initial install or not?

Someone make a game like Game Dev Tycoon, but instead of unlocking new video game genres, you unlock blockchain tech and lootboxes and three different types of microtransaction currency and malware DRM and charging 20 cents per install

And then call it Evil Game Company Simulator

It's stuff like that that makes me think none of this is legal. Retroactive law is... well, doesn't exist. You can't punish people for stuff you've just made into law.

Or about to, anyway.

i feel like if they took this to court they would argue that businesses would not have chosen unity for their games if they were aware that this might be something they would have to deal with

I feel like this would have to be a 'going forward' kind of deal. Like it can only affect games made and released after January 1st 2024

yeah because they would then have prior notice

you can't really grandfather in fees that weren't already being paid

so now it's basically entrapment to extort money out of them because they can't just drop everything and rebuild their games

That's what I mean. Even WotC/Hasbro couldn't retroactively make their formerly planned OGL into law, which is what caused homebrew devs ditching it and/or making a new system entirely.

Grandfathering fees is impossible AFAIK.

Especially if it's for something just made into laws. As Gayple noted, it SHOULD only affect games made and released after Jan 1st 2024. Demanding money for a contract you broke is not possible AFAIK.

that's my thought. Like, even if a game is sold after Jan 1st 2024 they likely can't charge the fee for install if the game was made before that date

you can't just suddenly release a version of the game made in another engine entirely, especially not on short notice like this

the only example I can think of is like, Minecraft, and that took YEARS to build the second version

the funny thing about all this is that game devs have been wanting out of using Unity for years now, they just never could find a solid enough excuse to jump ship

this sure is a valid excuse as any

Also a thing Mr. President probably didn't think about is a lot of games are made in Quebec (I believe we're the 5th biggest overall in terms of studios and manpower) and Quebec has very, very solid laws about that type of shady bullshit

Like not just actual companies after them, but something liek that might get the Quebec Goverment to go after them

AND TZHERE IT IS

I have played two very recent-ish games that are made on Unity (Disney Dreamlight Valley and Unpacking) so this does get me very concerned.

Hollow Knight fans will be very upset, too. Team Cherry is making Silksong on Unity.

Among Us uses unity

Original Hollow Knight uses unity

Keep Talking and No One Explodes uses unity

Power Wash simulator uses unity

Tabletop Simulator uses unity'

The We Were Here series uses unity

Gloomhaven uses unity

Dreamlight Valley uses unity?

Shit, the mouse might own Unity by this time next year.

SO many boomer shooters use unity. the indie fps community is livid rn

Hoo boy. You don't fuck with the mouse. They are in biiiig trouble.

Companies like Mihoyo and Lasengle/Type Moon also use Unity for their mobile games (8

They WANT the Mihoyo money.

They clearly didn't think about who ELSE they would get into a fight with because of it.

it goes without saying, but phasmophobia as well as the house flipper games use unity

is this even legal for them to do for existing games?

Because "sure use our software but we'll change the rules/fees AFTER you've made a game using our software" feels like it shouldn't be legal.

They probably have a thing in their EULA or TOS that goes "We can change any part of this agreement at any time we wish."

Heck, one reason the OGL change didn't take was because the original OGL was drafted with the intent to be immune to exactly these kinds of shenanigans, and they were playing dirty in finding a loophole to try to do it anyway.

If the OGL had originally been drafted in the "we can change this license at any time" vein instead of the free-software-style optional change style, it wouldn't have been adopted.

(Since D21Jaydee brought up an OGL comparison earlier.)

If Unity's license was written with a Darth Vader clause... then the question becomes whether Darth Vader clauses themselves are legal.

Darth Vader clauses are so commonplace that I'd be surprised if they weren't legal, though.

i believe that's how they're trying to spin it yeah

even worse because there's posts from i believe 2019 that say "naw naw if you use different versions of unity then you're only held to the TOS that applies to that version!" and they've completely backflipped on that

Which isn't how ANY legal contracts fly, and it's always fun to see them go to court.

Unity Install Fee Angers Gaming World | 5 Minute Gam...

some updates from today

...yeah, they better run that decision back or not exist in five years.

five years is stunningly generous

i give them five days

given how everyone uses unity... maybe.

They've already burned bridges hot enough that at LEAST Among Us and Slay the Spire are hard going "No, we're porting to a new engine, fuck you", Cult of the Lamb is appearing to be Not Joking about potentially delisting itself...

we haven't heard from the big names but that's probably because big names do not usually do "public outcry" when it is actually Major Bad

they just silently fix the problem and apologize afterward.

"silently fix the problem" in this case may involve hits

there's rumors that the DUSK dev is spearheading a civil action suit but that's all those are, is just rumors

I guarantee you.

GUARANTEE you that every studio that happens to have a dedicated legal department has not only drafted a suit already, but is currently shopping for venues.

Disney, Square, Mihoyo, etc.

oh zero question

nintendo/microsoft/sony are making Calls i am certain

And make no mistake.

Disney will be the first.

To say nothing of Microsoft since they're likely to be the biggest hit.

Honestly it depends on if it's distributors or publishers that pull the trigger first

Microsoft/Apple/Google/Valve are on one angle, Disney/Mihoyo/Sony/Ninty are the other one

and then there's just the general indiesphere as a third point of murder

and then there's the possibility of the quebec government with the steel chair, like pixle said

Bet ten euro that someone in the EU Parliment is already drafting legislation to make it illegal in the EU to be pulling this shit

Specifically these parts are important

#8 is important since it does mention that a contract could be nulled or argues against if it changes so much as to cause issues like whats happening

As someone who is somewhat familiar with Australian consumer law areas (vaguely vagues about), man, the ACCC is gonna be p i s s e d. And they've taken on Valve before, and won.

and nintendo! and sony!

the accc is vicious and wonderful

VRChat uses Unity as well, especially for making custom avatars. A friend of mine makes avatars and they were pretty scared by the news

bless

(whoops plurk didn't update for me for some reason)

Gee, Unity, that sure is a nice list of telemetry IPs you got there. Be a shame if someone dug it out of the game code and distributed it with instructions to block at the OS level.

still finding this crazy since microsoft/sony/nintendo completely control access to their respective console platforms (and apple/google controlling access to their app stores). if they decide the install tracking stuff is spyware/malware, whoops removed from app store/certification fail, developers please contact unity for a 'bug fix' for this issue 💀

i doubt they would go that far, but...

this meme made me laugh in this horrifying time

Unity To Start Charging Niantic Per Game Install | P...Pokemon Go is on Unity

Introducing the new Godot Development Fund

As for Game Pass and other subscription services, Whitten said that developers like Aggro Crab would not be on the hook, as the fees are charged to distributors, which in the Game Pass example would be Microsoft.

Is that thunder I hear, or is it Microsoft's lawyers all jumping out of bed simultaneously?

Did they really think Microsoft would be okay with being forced all of these fees because of Unity's piss-poor attempt at damage control?

*Do

And now we have a new plural noun. A quilt of outrage.

A game that I am looking forward to play, Paralives, is being currently worked on in Unity. I am starting to be worried for the devs right now.

ChurbooseAnon: I love it

I think one thing we gotta remember right now is to be patient with devs as well. If there's delays because they need to port their code to another engine? Or if updates slow? It's not their fault, in the end. Fuck John.

De we have a larger version of said quilt? V

Ignore that V, I'm typing with dirty hands.

Game devs Unite against Unity...

Unity (the company) should really reconsider about the damages this action might have on the video game industry.

I think the Unity leadership need to be worried about finding horse heads on their pillows

And all the major lawsuits/legal trouble they will be in.

👆

saw this post going around:

It makes a lot of sense honestly

SwirlingFlight: the CEO being from EA makes a terribly lot of sense.

ChurbooseAnon: A QUILT OF OUTRAGE I LOVE THAT I'm not happy that this is what it took for the term to exist but the term is super lovely and I'm going to use it.

I hope it is useful!

meanwhile godot just throwing gasoline into the flame right now haha

"This only affects 10% of you, you guys!!! "

Also, the ones this DOES affect also include companies who can afford very scary lawyers. like, oh, I don't know, Microsoft

Aka the ones you REALLY shouldn't want to piss off.

Gotta love how all the companies who pull evil dick moves like this talk about addressing the "confusion".

Imo it's just them seeing how far they can get pushing the envelope. Then whatever "concessions" they make look nice.

hilariously I have now also used up my free twitter views

on just this plurk

The Unity Disaster Gets WORSE - IronSource And A New...so did UEG And it's not coincidental

Wow

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Ace Attorney Objection Maker

SirDudeOfGol:

godot waking up like Snorlax's Z-move

Wait I made a better one

Ace Attorney Objection Maker

SirDudeOfGol: /giggle

Oh that is defininely an improvement. Unity deserves having coffee thrown at them.

lmao they made a statement. that theyre making a statement in a few days.

That's not even a real statement.

also planned parenthood is not a valid charity for games made with unity to not have the fee! h m .

they keep calling it "confusion"... iiinteresting choice of words there Unity

I mean

I guess there's confusion as to how best to switch away from using Unity at all ever

This is one of those decisions that only makes sense if you have never talked to someone who isn't a venture capitalist.

I'm still going, "REALLY???" over their plan to have Microsoft and Nintendo and the others suddenly be on the hook for millions of dollars

unity really be showing up to their houses

Is it wrong that I think this is a good thing? Not what they're pulling, that's shit. I mean the abuse that the 'we can change the terms of your contract, at any time without warning, deal with it' bs that comes with most, if not all, software/programs these days.

They did it in such a way that they pissed off the tech giants, so instead of them taking advantage of it, big companies like MS/Nintendo/etc are going to be fighting it instead of trying to use it.

I foresee laws coming in to limit the kind of changes that can be applied this way in the future... because uh, yeah sure, this time it's just a game engine, but whos to say that it can't be done as a form of ransom to more important things like banking/medical related programs...

mayyybe, but i'm not sure how necessary those laws are, since as i understand it, contact law judges tend to be pretty comfortable just saying "uh no you can't do that in a contract just because you said so" when nonsense clauses are brought before them

EULAs tend to be loaded with unenforceable nonsense that's only there to intimidate end users (who don't have big dedicated legal departments to help them) into cooperation with the threat of scary Legal Things

but i'm not sure how you'd enforce any additions to contract law except for the same way they're already enforced: wait until there's a lawsuit

...i mean i can think of ways, but they'd be in the vein of "hold people in corporations responsible for their decisions" which is a very unpopular legal stance XD

a lot of youtube creators have recently been getting antsy about being held to retroactive standards/terms-of-service that sound like they work kinda similar to this set up... if this thing at least gets ruled against in a court of law, that'd give youtube creators a little more back-up than "please be more fair, pretty pretty please"

Nintendo will not take this lightly. Their lawyers are vicious.

yeah youtube changing their content requirements/rules retroactively has been an issue for a bit, so...

it definitely helps to have clear precedent to discourage corporations from trying to wield nonsense contracts as legal intimidation, that's for sure

Updates have leaked.

Installations will no longer be tracked by proprietary tools. Instead, Unity will rely on users to self-report the data.
lol now who would do that

i'm okay with this--it gives developers enough time to finish existing unity based projects while learning another engine so they can all ditch unity completely

i imagine its a gotcha for things like ios and android games

Yeah that has to be a catch somewhere.

I imagine there is, what with all this non-outrage "confusion"

haha, self report, what are they smoking?

that's logistically mind bogglingly ridiculous and also...I can't think of anyway that wouldbe legally enforceable. The user is simply...not a part of that contract

later, Unity: "We made allowance for people to report their own use but they didn't, so now we have to do it this other way."

Yeah; no matter how much they walk this back I 100% do not trust them anymore because there's no telling if they'll try something stupid again.

greed

We have left the point of the discussion where the the word "may" is functional. They will attempt something this stupid again, and again, and again, until something gets through the walls or until they die and get consumed by someone bigger and greedier.

Manuela Malasaña on X

yeah no once someone demonstrates their willingness to unapologetically and obviously act in bad faith, there's no reason to ever trust them much less make your business dependent on them

that's like... below baseline trust for a total rando, so even if they change management and try to course correct, they start out with a pretty hefty trust debt

it takes more than one person to sign off on that kind of nonsense, and "new management" doesn't generally mean all of them have been replaced

imgur has weighed in, with a meme.

ACCURATE

Yes. Exactly right.

"self report" implies what we all knew this was actually about: unity wants a bigger chunk of that sweet sweet mobile game dough.

because they don't have to worry about users reporting, Google and Apple already track that information

Update

"we're still doing it anyway but don't be mad okay?"

lol keep the lawsuits coming

incredible

godamn

the walkback

the cringe

Cool Story, people still aren't ever gonna trust you again

ah, self reported. why yes unity i sold no games this month

fuck unity tho

yeah no more trust. kenney, creator of a shitton of free assets, has fallen into the godot hole hardcore, making sample projects for it

what no I didn't sell any games, it's just getting pirated like crazy I swear

that's what cult of the lamb is legit gonna be doing isn't it. lmao

"You are what makes Unity great, and we know we need to listen, and work hard to earn your trust."
Then act like it, you absolute rotten avocado

"Work hard to earn your trust" cool so literally everyone who agreed with no objections to the last couple weeks' nonsense is resigning, right? ......no? So you're not actually working hard you earn anyone's trust, you're working hard to avoid accountability for being untrustworthy, got it.

"we're not actually changing anything, but we've listened to you"

I mean, it does sound like they've changed a lot, on the one hand, unless I'm reading that announcement wrong

But on the other hand, "we scrambled to backtrack after trying to force changes literally everyone hated with no warning in order to squeeze money from you" is VERY MUCH not the same as "we always had your best interests at heart, I promise"

It's more like "we didn't realize we would experience consequences for our actions"

As for trust, don't know how the fuck they're going to recover that when they've shown they might decide to make massive changes that will hurt anyone using Unity at any time with no warning, and when they only walked them back after pretty much EVERY GAME COMPANY THAT HAS EVER USED UNITY has threatened to/begun the process of cutting off their profits

You can't ever be the company who doesn't/wouldn't pull this shit again, Unity

(I forget what incident it was recently - I think it might have been some kind of image hosting site? DeviantArt, possibly? - but I just remember a PR team fucking BEGGED the company heads not to implement certain changes, or at least not communicate them LIKE THAT, and the company did it anyway, and everyone disliked that)

(And the PR team was like "we know, we hate it too, we tried and they wouldn't listen to us")

(I really wonder how much Unity's poor PR team saw this coming and was screaming ineffectually to stop the train)

(Because SURELY they must have seen it coming)

I think it was Photobucket

It might've been, although Photobucket's been a mess for years and I thought this was fairly recent

it also came out with Unity that they were forcing employees to praise the new changes on social media even though pretty much every one of them hated it too

so I'm sure that was happening behind the scenes

Could have also been imgur

"Self-reported" means they're entirely doing this to bust mobile gaming and don't give two fucks about anywhere else

They don't need the developer to report for them with Pokémon go and genshin: apple and Google are doing it for them

Those are the kinds of games this has always been targeting

So basically they tanked all their goodwill as a pc engine for the sake of getting that sweeet sweet mihoyo moolah

yeah and google is already under a lawsuit by the ftc I believe so Great Timing Unity, of course

and now mihoyo is putting all that moolah into developing their own engine, oopsie!

ah, I know at least the latest DeviantArt upset was that they were trying to implement some sort of anti-scraping thing vs the AI bots, and misphrased things terribly, after being overcautious and saying that the new experimental setting was opt-in... when they should've understood that it was a thing that should've instead been opt-out.

at least dA did get their act together and clear stuff up and make it opt-out once their noses were rubbed in it

The DA thing at least comes off as probably fairly good faith but really bad execution

...the Unity thing just... has no excuse, and the ongoing fumbling of the attempts to backpedal but only the smallest amount necessary to maybe kinda sorta salvage things just makes it clear that they knew exactly what they were doing and had no intentions to act in good faith at any point

Definitely contrasts with how the WotC OGL business played out... but then, WotC trying to loophole a chance into the OGL amounted to them trying to torch a 20-year peace treaty, not just make a money grab. Heck, trying to walk back the royalties part was the first thing WotC did...

a change into, even.

Here, it's abundantly clear that the money is the point.

Nightsail: Oh, yeah, it was DA I was remembering then!

But yeah, like, in DA's case the changes were neither that significant nor that bad, if they were bad at all, but DA refused to listen to their PR team when they said "IF YOU WORD IT LIKE THIS EVERYONE WILL GET THE WRONG IDEA AND THEY WILL HATE IT"

Obviously with Unity they are doing shit that would be fuckwalnuts wrong and loathed no matter how they worded it, but considering it has 110% destroyed their public perception, I imagine the PR department must have been screaming like a tornado siren DO NOT DO THIS

dA worded it so poorly, it came off as "we'll be offering everyone's art up to the bots unless you want to try opting into this new thing" which is... not what they were actually working to set up....

Hence my just shaking my head and being like "oh man another instance where a company most definitely did not listen to their PR department huh", because uh. If ANYONE in their PR department said any of this is a good idea that would improve their public image, that person should lose their job for gross incompetence

Pretty sure this is the sort of thing you have a PR department to steer you away from! But that only works if, y'know. You actually listen to them

tbh it depends hugely on the corporate culture... people who know they aren't going to be listened to (or moreover that they'll get punished for doing their jobs) tend to learn not to bother sticking their necks out

The whelming conclusion: CEO is "retiring", effective immediately

houndoominite:SMF - hahaha!

John Riccitiello is out at Unity, effective immediat... Better article here

Which I thought I replaced my clipboard with, but oh well

Somebody was told to leave or be fired.

Something is odd, though. Normally, I try to understand company decisions via stocks not from a single day, but throughout the years. Unity has been on a downward spiral since 2021, ending up low but stable around May 2022. Stocks didn't really rise or fall throughout the months, even with this PR Crisis.

I'm wondering if John R. was both a Hail-Mary and a sacrificial lamb if things failed (which they did). Given how much faith has been lost in Unity, and how many developers are now terrified of being anywhere near the engine, I wonder if they saw their fall as inevitable and were willing to try anything to avert it...

... or, going by Hanlon's Razor, if it was stupidity.

it could be both. johnny boy might have been their hail-mary that turned out to be an idiot

...yeah, given the "rich people and CEOs must be really smart to be rich and/or CEOs, so surely they must have good ideas and be right a lot" brain rot tends to increase with wealth and corporate hierarchy

i can definitely see it being a "hey maybe he can save us with an idea so crazy it just might work!!" thing

board run corporations are very vulnerable to "special individual smarter than everyone else makes difficult thing easy fast and cheap with this one weird trick" pitches, since the people making ultimate decisions don't... really have any idea what's happening except that more profits faster sounds really good

Still, companies that do wildly unpopular measures, often do so because they have had years in downturn for their companies. Rich people might not be smart, but they are desperate when growth is no longer coming, and investors become unhappy. It's the reason behind GW putting their ban on fan content, Hasbro/WotC with the OGL, Netflix with ads...

I'm not saying it's smart, but people wanting money fast will try to cash out via any way possible -- even if it destroys a business long-term.

i mean sure but there are also degrees of stupidity in those ideas too

like... what's was the win condition on unity's plan?

cost/benefit and risk/reward analysis has to include an estimate of the actual likelihood of things happening, if it's going to be useful

Like I mention, a Hail Mary, but one hoping that this is another PR disaster they can wait for people to get bored about. That said, the picosecond companies realize they lose subscriptions or customers, that's when they really panic.

so who on earth thought there would be any real chance of a payoff?

I think I'm stuck on them trying to shake down the BIG companies.

that was, objectively, stupid

Touché.

It really smacks of a "people need us too much for this to possibly fail!" to me. I think they honestly thought their win condition was that people would take the financial hit and sacrifice blood to Unity's shareholders.

...forgetting that they weren't a literal monopoly.

CEO is out. Currently advisor until replaced

it's a start! they need to get rid of the rest of the board that approved this, but it's a start!

I wonder if this will sway public opinion back to unity support

that is a real concern but tbh I hope not, I hope people have learned by now

i suspect not substantially. professional devs had their livelihoods threatened by this, I can't see them going back in big numbers. maybe finish off the current project, then move engines

yeah, I'm kinda hoping if none of the bullshit actually happens, that devs who are stuck on Unity for specific projects they're in deep on at least won't lose sales over it. but will hopefully also move on as soon as possible.

I know one indie game I was really looking forward to getting console releases had DLC and stuff potentially planned, that the dev then tweeted wondering if he should even bother with because Unity projects are suddenly Bad

yeah rebuilding the amount of trust they burned for basically nothing isn't an easy or quick thing

Unity CEO Steps Down After Controversy, But Will Tha...One of the YT creators I watch did a fairly good breakdown on the latest info, imo.

I'm of the mindset that while the 'CEO' has left, that's like firing the store manager as a scapegoat because the prices were jacked up 500%. The people that supported the 'price hike' are still there, and I can pretty much guarantee that in a year or two (maybe sooner) once people have

let this fall from their mind there will be a lesser attempt at something similar. Because 'Oh, it's just a little change. Not like that'...

yeah no if they fired and/or ejected from the board everyone who went along with the idea without recording their objections, I'd consider taking it seriously

As far down as I've tracked it.