Renee Harvy
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so I made this shoe. It was 44K tris to start with. I know that's way too many, and I think I can't even upload it, but it's detailed. I didn't go crazy, with subserf or anything, it's just details.
Renee Harvy
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so I took out every unnecessary vertex I could find. Sacrificed a bit of the smoothness and detail, and it's 33K.
now... I want to see Renee.
Renee Harvy
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still too big. I could upload it in parts, and get it past the uploader limits
Renee Harvy
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but I don't want to cheat that if that means the shoes are going to cause problems. What's normal for a shoe?
Renee Harvy
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I don't want to show it because at this point I'm not at all sure I can sell it lol
Renee Harvy
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I don't think it's "overly" detailed compared to other shoes I see for sale.
Renee Harvy
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I took all the back faces off
Renee Harvy
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I'm just wondering what an average is for shoes
Renee Harvy
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I've made several boxy boot shapes that were well under 10K tris. But you start putting rivets and buckles and trim pieces on, and things get crazy
hmmm...
Renee Harvy
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oh I didn't even try. I just assumed because I've heard people say that anything over 30K breaks the mesh
Renee Harvy
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and I've heard people complain about hair that big crashing sims. I just don't know what's considered "reasonable" for mesh
Renee Harvy
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I guess I should start by trying to upload it now
can you post a wireframe pic?
Renee Harvy
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it's not joined but I'll post it
and i guess you did the smoothing thing in the uploader or with your material settings? (otherwise the number of vertices goes craycray(
Limits for mesh are here: Limits - Second Life Wiki
Renee Harvy
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oh man, I never thought to just rez one and check the LI. Shoes are so SMALL, that's crazy LI
44k tris should be not a problem uploading, if you take into account the note about staying under 21k tris per material.
Raynee
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Oh hey, those are nice! Depending on size those could be unisex.
imho you could simplify the mesh a lot, it doesn't need that many polys
Renee Harvy
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thank you Raynee. They are meant for a men's event, but yeah, I hope to wear them
Renee Harvy
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yeah, I'm an novice, obviously. I played around with pulling out more loops and kept breaking things, probably because I built them poorly
you have to test renee. if you - i.e. - set the lowest LOD manually in the uploader to "0" it safes A LOT Landimpact. alas: you have to check how it looks from a distance.
usually the distance is so high that the avatar wearing the shoe sees himself more or less a stick figure - but like said - you have to play with it
A lot of your details can sometimes be converted on to good texturing.
Renee Harvy
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right, I know how to get the land impact down, but I thought the 21K limit was per object, not per material. That makes a big difference.
you got all the advice already but can i just say WOW you made those that is amazing!! great job!
Renee Harvy
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awww SySy, you are so kind 
Thank you!
Thank you!
yeah i've found that manual retopology is pretty much the way to go
Renee Harvy
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thank you, this is a big help!
renee: i'm checking some of my models in the uploader, worst one so far is 18k tris for a pair of rigged boots, knee-high and with lacing to the knees
and i'm really not that good at efficient modelling
Most of the details will need a high enough tri count in medium LOD for the average viewing distance. You might want to consider retopo-ing the model so you have less number of polys.
This would possibly mean seaming and unwrapping again though.
SySy
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Also if you're in blender using modifyers (subsurf etc.) see if you can tone those down anywhere you can a bit? I notice that skkyrockets the count aswell
SySy
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at first i was like OOOH nice this subsurf! looks nice and smooth! click click oh nice, lets set it at 3! smoother! ow. thats a TAD high 
SySy_Chapman : In blender you can render it at a higher count but use a lower count in "view" so you save on polys but still get smooth details on textures.
Renee Harvy
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jackalennui: right, I'm generally around 10K. I'm not sure how this one got so out of control. I needed a lot of loops to get that front piece to bend down and around the shoe, and I ended up with a
Renee Harvy
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lot of loops to get the back part to lay down reasonably well too. It's all subserf level one though. I just used that many loops.
Renee Harvy
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I need a lot more practice
Renee Harvy
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Rogan_Diesel: yeah, I can see that I'm going to have to unwrap it again. Fortunately I didn't have to do much to to the UVs for the texture I wanted, so I don't have a lot of work in there yet
ReneeF: is there any chance that you can "fake" the details via Normal Map? like baking the NM from a really high poly mesh to a low poly one?
Renee Harvy
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that's a good idea. I'll try.